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I easily learned the most from Lovedrop's material. The body language, delivery, attitude, kino and vibe is more important than the gambits/material and I thought LD taught all of those area's very well. I'd say the CD's followed by the book and then DVD's were most helpful. The bottom line is the real learning comes from time spent in the field. There will never be a product that will teach you each and every step of how to act, what to say and what to do, to get every girl. You gotta practice and come up with your own material while demonstrating the right attitudes with solid delivery to improve. But with that said I've been working with this material for about 5 months and I do attribute 90% of my success to the revelation products. I personally find other products such as those of David D's to be clearly inferior to what revelation offers/teaches.

it's like theory and real life. you can read all the books (on seduction) in the world, but as long as you don't go out and try this stuff on a regular basis, you won't be great with women. "Revelation" only gives you the tools how to do it, but it's still YOU who has to do it. sarge on!

I disagree about Lovedrop, yes he did at times seem a bit nerdy however, his audio part (the 13 cds) was wonderful.

I really enjoyed listening to what he was saying/teaching. I think I learned quite a lot just from that section alone. I liked the videos and the ebook but the audio part really made it sink in.

My favorite thing about Lovedrop is how he teaches, he doesn't spout off a bunch of hyptheticals and superstar aspirations like mystery. He has a systematic approach of a philosopher. As far as actual routines, he seems a little on the weaker side, but he is great to learn mindsets from.

It is blantly obvious however that he is a student mostly concerned with advice because most all of his information are things that he has learned from other PUAs, not himself by expierance. And the most frustrating thing is that since its all concepts to him, He repeats them OVER and OVER in the three products. If you listen to the CDs you dont even really need to read the book and vice versa. It's mostly the same sh**, but he means well and is prolly just trying to drill it into your head so you can suceed

Ok in all product was 6/10

But what I hated was that I was listening to an interesting story told by mystery. I was enjoying Mystery saying something about a girl that hated him, when he was gaming in LA. Then Suddenly another clip and LD is talking about an opener 2 girls fight outside.

That sucked. I wanted to listen to the whole story by mystery.

Mystery was also telling an interesting story about his gay brother. Then suddenly it was clipped away and then we are on another clip.

There are so many clips on revalations videos that what they are saying dont give any meaning.

Magnus opus mind of mystery was better. Atleast there they didnt clip away the DVH stories told by the master himself.

Video are not even in order.

Video order rating
1/10

The package comes with an e-book, the hard-copy of the same book, 8 dvds, and 13 cds that say the same thing that's in the book. In all honesty, 500$ bucks isn't worth it. Try to ........buy just the book/e-book. The dvd's and cds are just reinstating what the book says, nothing concrete, plus the fact that half those videos and/or their equivalent are in youtube. Really, just try to get the book, I think it's the only useful thing, and it still not worth 500$.

It be nice to see a section with J-Dog, and Style. Even if style did clothes and J-dog did day game.

PS. I'll be in it haha. Im a director in UK, but enough about me.

All in all a buy!!!

The DVD set for 500 is high but if you are serious about this ( and you should be really or it will never work anyway) then it is worth it. You are investing in yourself after all.

Yeah I just got that in today. I'm listening to the audio stuff right now. It's pretty awesome so far. My only complaint is that Disc 4 was a completely blank disc so i have to contact someone to get that fixed.

OK so I've watched the DVD's now and I've just started listening to the cd's.

My feelings on the DVD's
From a positive standpoint is that they contain a lot of very good infomation.
However I feel like it's been put together in the wrong order. Also because it was clearly filmed at a number of bootcamps there are occasional repeats of infomation.
The sound quality on the DVD's isn't brilliant and the same is true of the camerawork. Fortunately the content makes up for the poor production quality. I think the DVD's could have benefited from being structured in the same way as the book chapter for chapter. So instead of being excerpts of a bootcamp it would have been a visual translation of the concepts in the book section by section. Having said that I think it's important that the students be there listening and asking questions as this gives the DVD's a certain life.
Mystery's segment where he talks about letting the pickup arts enrich your life but not define it has been a very useful reminder for a buddy of mine and for myself in a lot of ways.
I would have liked to see more footage of Mystery talking but Matador and Lovedrop put their segments across brilliantly.

With Matadors first section I got the feeling that he was still a bit shaky about the new system and still getting used to talking about the new concepts so there's quite a few pauses which could be got rid of with a more structured production.
While open loops and multiple threads are excellent infield, they're of less use in an instructional DVD

overall points for production value 5 out of 10
overall points for content 7.5 out of 10

The book is still 11 out of 10