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"Really Dissapointed"
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Reviewed by nathanaelb
October 28, 2007
October 28, 2007
Okay, a friend of mine dropped $2,500 on this and he's really dissapointed and so am I after watching it.
He fell for Mike Long's marketing hype (there are always those that do). Now here's my rundown on what I've seen:
We skipped the "Video Brain Transplant" (9 DVD's) because it looked like it was just a recycled video taping of one of his seminars, which my buddy has already been to.
I didn't get much new out of the "Social Cybernetics" (5 DVD's). In my opinion, 95% of the information can be gleaned from Mystery's first 5 DVD set and by watching the extra's from VH1's The Pickup Artist. As usual, Mystery did a great job of conveying the finer points of the Mystery Method (or whatever its called now); however, I was disappointed with Matador's speech on Microcalibration. It was clearly un-rehearsed and he seemed to, at times, stumble through it by constantly repeating himself. In the end, I was a bit confused as to whether you should micro-calibrate a IOI with an IOI and IOD with an IOD, or the other way around... The whole Social Cybernetics series seemed to be quite unprofessional, almost as if filmed on a whim with little or no time taken for editing.
The last part we watched was the "Holy Grail" (1 DVD), which is the one DVD devoted to Mystery infield with cameras. I was very much looking forward to this one, after hearing Matador & Mystery talk about advanced topics such as rolling off, micro-calibration and forward/backward merging. Unfortunately, you won't see much, if any, of those things in the infield video. It starts off in a club with Mystery being following around by a bunch of cameramen. He tells lovedrop he doesnt want to open the set behind him cause he wants really hot girls. He explains he's going to start by getting some social proof and then open some hot girls. So, a few seconds later, a girl (HB6chubby) opens him and asks him about the cameramen following him around. He locks in (good job) but then it goes downhill from there. His routines are nothing new (but that doesnt bother me)... but what happens next is most surprising...
The girls friends show up, an HB7 and HB8 and two guys. The guys start chatting with Mystery, and apparently one (or both) of them know he's a PUA cause they start talking about game. Mystery tries to neg the HB8, but it is to no avail, the HB7 and HB8 start to lose interest and they leave, and Mystery can't keep them. So he's left chatting with two guys, even the HB6chubby is no longer paying attention to him at this point and starts chatting with someone on her left. One of the guys starts to kind of AMOG Mystery by poking fun of his hat and scarf. He then grabs Mysterys' scarf and says he needs it. So Mystery ends up giving it to him. To Mystery's credit, it really wasn't an AMOG, and he did defuse, but why did he waste so much time with these guys and lose all the girls? Then the guys leave, and Mystery is left sitting there, kinda looking around with nobody to talk to, cause the HB6chubby is chatting with her other friend. Lovedrop quickly runs in (as he should) to chat with Mystery to prevent him from losing more value.. A few moments later, Mystery reopens the HB6chubby and lovedrop vanishes. They chat for a while, all the while there is no kino escalation whatsoever from mystery. He does some vanishing straw magic trick and keeps talking about how he wants to introduce her to his friends, and then the girl tells him he should try some "slutty red head" drink. Mystery says something to the effect "ok, you get the first round". He tells her to go get him a drink and she refuses to go w/o him. So he takes her by the arm and they go to the bar to buy a drink.... AND THEN... the most amazing thing happens....
Mystery ends up paying for the drinks!!!! The camera cut out for a bit, so I can't tell what happened, but she probably told him she didnt have any money or soemthing. He can be seen paying for the drinks and then saying "ok, you get the next ones". He then takes her back to his friends and introduces her. A few moments later, she annouces she'll be back and leaves... and then the video fades to black. I doubt Mystery ever got a drink from her.
The 2nd infield video was a little better, but not much. It starts with some dude talking to a 2-set. Matador shows up and is introduced. He starts stacking routines like a used car salesman! First the best friends test, then the esp routine, then the c smile..... I didn't notice much (if any) microcalibration... and there were no roll-offs! (He spent 40 minutes talking about roll offs in Social Cyberdynamics and then doesn't demonstrate!). Well, to make a long story short, they end up bringing them back to their friends in the VIP area.... but a bit later, the girls friends interrupt (external interrupt), and then the video fades to black. presumably cause they lost the set.
By this point, I was dissapointed to see two infield videos of Mystery, and no number close, no kiss close, not even any kino escalation! Then the 3rd video started. This is the one that was in the Marketing for Mind of Mystery (the Magnum Opus) sent out by mike long. The white party video.. So no need to comment on this one... by this time, it was getting late, and I had to leave, so I didn't finish the videos, but I'll swing by my friends place later and finish this review (hopefully it doesnt get deleted).
In all, I was quite dissapointed. For $2,500, in my opinion, your money is better spent elsewhere. I've done sets that turned out the same or better than in Mystery's infield videos. Its not like they were really bad, but he has a reputation as a Pick-up Guru, and what I saw was equivalent to someone who's been practicing game for about 6 months. Nothing spectacular at all... or... perhaps he wants to show what a typical set will look like. In my experience, nobody I have met will kiss/number close every set every time. Perhaps the PickUp Gurus are more human than we thought....
Hope this review helps you guys.
Ok... my friend dropped off the Infield DVD, and i just finished watching the 3rd video (White Party).. You guys have already seen it on youtube and in the marketing stuff that mike long sent out. In this video, Mystery definately does everything right. He builds attraction and gets alot of compliance from a girl who is getting married. Unfortunately, her fiance was there so Mystery did not try to go any further (props to him for that)... Her interest really peaked after he did a magic trick where he moved her straw. She admitted to him after that, that she is into Energy and new age shit..
The 4th video was also better... Mystery ends up kiss closing a 50 yr old lady.. ugh.. Have to give it to him, he had alot of social proof in the room, especially with all those camera's following him. Girls would just go up to him and open asking "why is everyone filming you tonight?" Wonder how well he would do w/o all the cameras.
He fell for Mike Long's marketing hype (there are always those that do). Now here's my rundown on what I've seen:
We skipped the "Video Brain Transplant" (9 DVD's) because it looked like it was just a recycled video taping of one of his seminars, which my buddy has already been to.
I didn't get much new out of the "Social Cybernetics" (5 DVD's). In my opinion, 95% of the information can be gleaned from Mystery's first 5 DVD set and by watching the extra's from VH1's The Pickup Artist. As usual, Mystery did a great job of conveying the finer points of the Mystery Method (or whatever its called now); however, I was disappointed with Matador's speech on Microcalibration. It was clearly un-rehearsed and he seemed to, at times, stumble through it by constantly repeating himself. In the end, I was a bit confused as to whether you should micro-calibrate a IOI with an IOI and IOD with an IOD, or the other way around... The whole Social Cybernetics series seemed to be quite unprofessional, almost as if filmed on a whim with little or no time taken for editing.
The last part we watched was the "Holy Grail" (1 DVD), which is the one DVD devoted to Mystery infield with cameras. I was very much looking forward to this one, after hearing Matador & Mystery talk about advanced topics such as rolling off, micro-calibration and forward/backward merging. Unfortunately, you won't see much, if any, of those things in the infield video. It starts off in a club with Mystery being following around by a bunch of cameramen. He tells lovedrop he doesnt want to open the set behind him cause he wants really hot girls. He explains he's going to start by getting some social proof and then open some hot girls. So, a few seconds later, a girl (HB6chubby) opens him and asks him about the cameramen following him around. He locks in (good job) but then it goes downhill from there. His routines are nothing new (but that doesnt bother me)... but what happens next is most surprising...
The girls friends show up, an HB7 and HB8 and two guys. The guys start chatting with Mystery, and apparently one (or both) of them know he's a PUA cause they start talking about game. Mystery tries to neg the HB8, but it is to no avail, the HB7 and HB8 start to lose interest and they leave, and Mystery can't keep them. So he's left chatting with two guys, even the HB6chubby is no longer paying attention to him at this point and starts chatting with someone on her left. One of the guys starts to kind of AMOG Mystery by poking fun of his hat and scarf. He then grabs Mysterys' scarf and says he needs it. So Mystery ends up giving it to him. To Mystery's credit, it really wasn't an AMOG, and he did defuse, but why did he waste so much time with these guys and lose all the girls? Then the guys leave, and Mystery is left sitting there, kinda looking around with nobody to talk to, cause the HB6chubby is chatting with her other friend. Lovedrop quickly runs in (as he should) to chat with Mystery to prevent him from losing more value.. A few moments later, Mystery reopens the HB6chubby and lovedrop vanishes. They chat for a while, all the while there is no kino escalation whatsoever from mystery. He does some vanishing straw magic trick and keeps talking about how he wants to introduce her to his friends, and then the girl tells him he should try some "slutty red head" drink. Mystery says something to the effect "ok, you get the first round". He tells her to go get him a drink and she refuses to go w/o him. So he takes her by the arm and they go to the bar to buy a drink.... AND THEN... the most amazing thing happens....
Mystery ends up paying for the drinks!!!! The camera cut out for a bit, so I can't tell what happened, but she probably told him she didnt have any money or soemthing. He can be seen paying for the drinks and then saying "ok, you get the next ones". He then takes her back to his friends and introduces her. A few moments later, she annouces she'll be back and leaves... and then the video fades to black. I doubt Mystery ever got a drink from her.
The 2nd infield video was a little better, but not much. It starts with some dude talking to a 2-set. Matador shows up and is introduced. He starts stacking routines like a used car salesman! First the best friends test, then the esp routine, then the c smile..... I didn't notice much (if any) microcalibration... and there were no roll-offs! (He spent 40 minutes talking about roll offs in Social Cyberdynamics and then doesn't demonstrate!). Well, to make a long story short, they end up bringing them back to their friends in the VIP area.... but a bit later, the girls friends interrupt (external interrupt), and then the video fades to black. presumably cause they lost the set.
By this point, I was dissapointed to see two infield videos of Mystery, and no number close, no kiss close, not even any kino escalation! Then the 3rd video started. This is the one that was in the Marketing for Mind of Mystery (the Magnum Opus) sent out by mike long. The white party video.. So no need to comment on this one... by this time, it was getting late, and I had to leave, so I didn't finish the videos, but I'll swing by my friends place later and finish this review (hopefully it doesnt get deleted).
In all, I was quite dissapointed. For $2,500, in my opinion, your money is better spent elsewhere. I've done sets that turned out the same or better than in Mystery's infield videos. Its not like they were really bad, but he has a reputation as a Pick-up Guru, and what I saw was equivalent to someone who's been practicing game for about 6 months. Nothing spectacular at all... or... perhaps he wants to show what a typical set will look like. In my experience, nobody I have met will kiss/number close every set every time. Perhaps the PickUp Gurus are more human than we thought....
Hope this review helps you guys.
Ok... my friend dropped off the Infield DVD, and i just finished watching the 3rd video (White Party).. You guys have already seen it on youtube and in the marketing stuff that mike long sent out. In this video, Mystery definately does everything right. He builds attraction and gets alot of compliance from a girl who is getting married. Unfortunately, her fiance was there so Mystery did not try to go any further (props to him for that)... Her interest really peaked after he did a magic trick where he moved her straw. She admitted to him after that, that she is into Energy and new age shit..
The 4th video was also better... Mystery ends up kiss closing a 50 yr old lady.. ugh.. Have to give it to him, he had alot of social proof in the room, especially with all those camera's following him. Girls would just go up to him and open asking "why is everyone filming you tonight?" Wonder how well he would do w/o all the cameras.
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