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I would like to say that by attending and participating in this bootcamp has had quite a shift in my life. It's been a week since the bootcamp and Ive seen some major changes.

I'll first startoff with the bootcamp. Moxie is an exceptional instructor. The friday day session moxie makes sure that everyone has got down the basics. Now when we practiced our approach operners at the nite venue I understood that this game is about frame control and UNREACTIVENESS!
The sets that i opened and we'rent very successful, were the ones I had an emotional reaction to. When I wasn't phased by what I did or said sets just blew open... Moxie and metro were there to give me feedback on every detail! When I would go blank (which happens a bit, all this new information and matreial and going out of your comfort zone) moxie and metro were there to tell me exactly what to do, again and again and again...
I've never opened so many sets in one nite ever, and as you all know it is quite a fucking exhilerating experience.

On the saturday nite I had a major, major confrontation -MYSELF! I got reactive to most of the sets. My demons were coming out! I wanted to run away and go home but moxie and metro have a No Man gets left behind policy! I want to thank you guys for that because I realised when sarging we will make any excuse we fuckin can to get out of it. By staying I had probably the best learning experince.
I observed moxie demonstrate openning a mixed set of about 6 guys and 1 girl. He goes in coming up with his operner as he just enters gets an initial lock in but then a few guys come and block him he handles the interrupts and then locks in to a more superior position were he can work on his target. All the guys were looking at him just stunned, pissed off, interested and not knowing what the fuck to do. Moxie then started kino on the target, negs, etc...routines... and she was just so into him that her partner of seven years didnt know what to do, the best that dude could come up with was "ahh are u trying too get our attention so your friend can steal our wallet?" Moxie's reply was "why would i want to steal your wallet, It's got a used condom in it that has been there for a year!" The girl was just hysterical... She was IOI'ing him like there was no tommorrow. But moxie is really a genuine guy and didn't want to fuck up a seven year relationship, so he ejected.
Now for me not running away and obsreving this, the thing that stood out the most from me was that moxie had this FLOW. A flow with his delivery, a flow with all the things he dealt with. The girl and the guys were being subcommunicated "I'm an Alpha Male" and could'nt help but, found themselves attracted to him!

I'ts been one week since the bootcamp. I've been out sarging on friday and saturday. On the friday I opened seven sets. Five got to A3. The two I didnt get to A3 was my poor positioning and lack of smiling. With the other five that I got to A3 my DHV stories we'rnt enough and I got self consious and stuck. So I reviewed the nite with my wingman who was from the bootcamp and we gave each other advice about our sticking points. My main one was going into my DHV stories and not to give off IOD after IOD, especially when the target has been giving me several IOI's one after the other.

So I worked on those on saturday nite. Sarged and found myself in the sets for more than 10 mins in each one. It's stacking material that buys you time. Multi threading. Again loads of IoI's from the taregts this time I rewarded them. My sticking point of this nite was too much time in A3, and not isolating. That's what im working on tonite.
The beauty of this is I have method now. "I'ts not about the outcome, I'ts about the process". And having fun within that process!!!

With great power comes great responsibility'
Before going to Toronto a friend of mine said: 'Hey, why are you doing that ? - isn´t everything on the internet ?'. My answer: 'Why did you went to a MBA ? Isn`t everything on the internet ?'. That`s the point. Meeting these guys made all the difference.
Talking a litle bit about myself: I had some relationships before, in fact I dated models, had long term relationships with women from TV (more than one), women with 2 college degrees (more than one), and so on. So I only take 3A girls (Smart, Pretty and Interessant). But I had two problems:

* First: I want A threesome. Opss, THE threesome.

* Second: All the women I met basically was on my social circle


... and guess what ? There was not women in my social circle who wants a threesome, at least not 3As or at least it was what I tought.
I`m from Brazil and this bootcamp was very expensive and very complicated to me. But it worth. I have a dream and will pay its price.
I always heard that what is important is not WHAT you said to a woman, but HOW you say it. Maybe it sounds pretty obvious for you, but for me it`s the first time that I really saw it. Really felt it. Really understand it.
For me, more than learning techniques, this bootcamp showed me how is the behavior of a sucessfull guy. How easy is to open a set and work it without any special "secret weapon". I had a hughe problem opening sets... and I`m working hard on it.
But on the first night I opened a set. Exactly as it should be done.... working on my autopilot... 3 second rule, right angle, started with the guy (1 guy and 2 girls... "lead the men and the women will follow you" - Mystery), isolate the girls, negged the targed, give DHVs, and FTCs (not so false, because I really want just open and go out to stay with Neo, my field instructor that day).
And you know what ? It just worked wonderfull ! ! ! - I just walked around and then saw the girl just on my side... first trying to talk to another guy... trying to create some jealousy (how cute....) and then she started to talk with my friend... with that "Oh, you here, what a coincidence !".
I walked around again, and she followed me again.
At least, I was taking another "sightseeing" and she came to me and asked to stay with her friends at her table... well, I saw Neo, Matador and Mystery in action, so it was time for some rest.
Bytheway seh gave me her telefone number, and from her friend also, you know 'just for shure' that I will be able to contact her.
I NEVER tought it could be possible. At least not for me.
On the second day, I tried to open a set, not on the autopilot but "consciously"... I made everything wrong... So I take my Brazil shirt and my hat and just walked around see the guys working the sets... the gurus and the students... see the PUA engines working.... And you know what ? Even this way it worked... I was opened, more than once, and one time for a so hot blonde girl wanting to see my hat... I just tought myself "I`m dreaming..." - and obvoulsy I also tought: "Hey this peacock theory really works... my friends will never say that my hat is stupid anymore !!!"
And that`s what the bootcamps and all the Mystery material done to me.... Something is different... a lot of small things... I`m just doing better with women now. Women is just opening me. I go out and see girls coming near to me, waiting to be opened. Doing things to say: "hey, we are here, open us". Sometime I speak or dance with a girl and as I abandon the set I just saw then following me... wanting more.
I just remember that stupid frase from the old lady from spiderman: "With great power comes great responsibility"
I`m scared and happy from what is happening to me.
About the instructors: Mystery opened every set he saws. The man is a "open set machine". Matador pushes hard, he wants results and is very agressive on the field ("we don`t take prisioners" policy) and Neo is very attentious.

That was a great bootcamp.

In some sense I wish I had taken it a few months later because these guys were literally so good that I didn't really have a cognitive model at the time toapprecitae what they were doing in the field, even though they had just spent the previous five hours explaining evreything to me in great detail. It was like part of me understood it, and the other part of my brain was just going "HOLY SHI*!" the entire time. I remember I was watching JDog sarge the two coat check girls and I had to hold my jaw to keep it from hitting the ground. Awesome.

I wish I had taken even more advantage of the field time by getting more feedback from the coaches, but overall a great investment, and a great time.

Seminar: Okay, so the web page has this list of all the different things that the bootcamp was going to cover..well, despite my doubts of them being able to do so, they did, in fact, cover every single one of those points! And not just by briefly mentioning it, but rather in such specificity that it was astonishing! Each of the instructors gave us a very detailed, in-depth understanding of the theory that the method itself is based on, plus they supplied us with a ton practical knowledge as well as canned material, to the point that I STILL recall things that were mentioned or discussed, a full week later! I'm still working on trying to internalize everything that we were taught and calibrate things to my own personality. I liked that the format of the Seminar included some interactive parts, whether in the form of certain drills or the asking of questions [personal and otherwise] so that we don't end up just scribbling down a bunch of information that doesn't make sense to us when we look back at them a few weeks later; instead, it forced us to take the knowledge we had and apply it to reason things out and make more sense to us in our own minds. I feel that if we hadn't been so cramped for time, it would have been nice to run through some more of the exercises and activities that were mentioned by Mystery and Matador in the Seminar in order to help us internalize the theory as well as develop a little of our own practical material. Even during the scheduled breaks [which I feel we actually took less of than we were supposed to, because the instructors would lose track of time, which to me was yet another example of their tremendous dedication to their training as well as to the students], the instructors would take the time to answer questions, ranging from all kinds of topics from clarifications to community drama to random topics like music or travel stories [they are normal guys, after all!] and even some pretty outrageous sexcapades [with a lot of the outrageous part coming from Matador, like when he pulled a girl and fucked her in an alley behind 7-11 haha]. Even more dedication and passion on the instructors part was their willingness to stay past the scheduled times, even when they know we would be cutting things close, simply to ascertain that all the students comprehended all of the concepts that had been covered [since there was a LOT of information to take in, which they knew themselves and kept reassuringly conveying to us]. The only negative thing I have to say is that I wish we could have started earlier in the day or that there were 30 hours in a day or something, because it always felt as though we were running short on time and ended up having to go almost directly from the Seminar to the venue with just enough time to eat and/or shower in between, and I personally would have preferred some time to let my brain recover from the overload as well as to allow all the shit to sink in.


In-Field: For the first night, all of the students were excited to get out into the venue and watch the things we'd learned that day in the Seminar be put into effect by the biggest names in pickup. The main objective for this night was to observe the instructors properly running through sets [their verbal delivery, voice tonality, and most importantly their body language!] and then by the end of the night, to be opening and creating attraction in as many of our own sets as possible, and even push the sets as far as we could until we were literally forced out of them. Unfortunately, the venue itself [the bar inside the lobby of the Hard Rock Hotel] was a little weak [both students and instructors agreed] due to the low number of targets as well as the kind of cramped space of the area itself; however, I think it actually worked out better in the long-run for us because we were all able to watch the instructors without seeming to be leering or anything, plus we weren't really affected by negative social proof [i.e. a bunch of dudes standing around without many girls] because there weren't too many girls to begin with. The lack of targets also caused us to overcome sets with some pretty serious bitch-shields and just plow through, regardless of the reactions [and thus experiencing reaction independence 1st-hand] since the same girls were being approached by various guys as well as students throughout the night. I think once the students who did do their own sets got into their first couple of sets, it was much easier to start approaching with a more cool and confident attitude, almost trying to see just how badly we could really get blown out and then realizing that things don't ever really go that badly.

The second night venue showed just how much we'd learned, both the theoretical side in the Seminar as well as the real-life application from being In-Field from the night before. It was good because there was no worry of a bad reaction from a set when opening because the previous night's experience gave us all a we've all been through the worst of it the night before, how could it be any worse?” kind of attitude: there were plenty of really hot girls around, we were in the VIP section in the club, we knew that our biggest fears of what could go wrong weren't anywhere near the reality, etc, and it made sets much easier [and much more fun!] to run. The objective for this night was to open, create attraction, and move into comfort [with bounces, time-bridges, and isolation involved], and again push the sets as far as they'd go, ideally closing them one way or another. When comparing our results to this objective, I think that every single one of us had incredible growths in our skill-set as well as overall confidence in approaching and handling sets. The only complaint I'd have about this is that I wish we'd covered some more information in terms of how to perform the different closes in a little more detail so that we could apply them to our sets [if not now, then for later].

Honestly, the In-Field session was nearly flawless! The only real criticism I have about it is I would've like having a bit stronger/longer debriefing segment “ I think it would've been a really good idea to do it with like personalized advice, based on what each of the instructors had witnessed from us.

One thing I must say is that the In-Field portion was just as helpful as I could've imagined, and I went into it with high expectations. Most of the time, it seemed like there was always an instructor around, watching me in action [because that was something I was worried about, with 12 students and only a handful of instructors] and able to give me feedback either during or after the set. Having these top-notch instructors with you in the venues helps make it possible to eliminate sticking points and to calibrate as you go, as with me. In other words, it basically raises the level of your game to new heights almost immediately. The other thing that served as yet another example of the whole above and beyond attitude that appears to be intertwined with the entire Venusian Arts way of operating was that even though the In-Field portion was supposed to end at 2 am, these guys kept opening and running sets late into the night [I think I got back at about 4 am both nights], and it wasn't for themselves: I witnessed Mystery and Matador open tons of sets, many of which they could've easily bounced with, but instead they would eject or time-bridge so that they could come back and discuss it with us, then move into the next one. Frankly, I can't say that I wouldn't be tempted to just run a couple of sets for myself, but these guys were totally dedicated to their students and showing us how the game is played.

first of all, it was amazing to see you guys(VA Coaches) doing what you're obviously supposed to do - to socially interact in an interesting and inspiring way.
This was my first seminar and I have to admit, that I had great weekend with you. Not only because of the stuff you told me, but also just as human beings, somebody to have great conversation with.

I was asked to provide a review, so I'll actually start that now :-)

When only reading books or online material, you don't get that much of a grasp on where to emphasize on, on where to put the most effort into. So, my aha moment was when we talked about delivery, that it's actually not that important WHAT you say in A{1,2,3} but HOW. Also, I gained some knowledge on social calibration, which includes delivery, which also leads to the conclusion that you shouldn't rely on fixed material but rather on spontanious action - micro-calibration.

As I already indicated, the difference between reading and acting(seeing Mystery and the guys in action) is huge. It gives you so much energy to see how these people are into the topic. It gives you the cherry on the top that you necessarily need in this art to become better than the textbook students.

Before I came to BC I actually have just gotten introduced to the whole thing. I only read a few books two or three weeks in advance :-) Maybe it was an omen that the BC happend to be in my town so - for me - rapidly.
To be honest I haven't had any problems with the women beforehands, a good two figure count per quarter I'd say. The thing is, those women are not always 9s or 10s, those used to be rarely found. The actual reason for me to join was just a general interest I reckon. Turns out that it behaves like a black hole. When I first started using material and routines I experienced a quite downturn. But after a couple of days practise I could see results. And SENATOR saw that it was good. ;-)

One thing I want to point out is that the BC was a fantastic place to get to know people who share the same interest - potential wings. Thanks to modern communication technology we fastly exchanged all our numbers.

After having done some research now, I'd come to the point that it's not all about pick up, which it never really has been to me, but of lifestyle. It's just a massive improvement and gain of lifestyle after all. It's not about picking up 10 girls a night just to tell your friends afterwards. It's about picking up interesting people, to have choice, to have conversation, to enjoy the environment. :-)

I will def use the next chance to catch up with you guys, whereever it will be!

The D.C. bootcamp was great. Knack led it with Foodgeek, Alex and Oscar. Great group of students and we used our newly learned approach skills in the field Friday night. Our approaches were good, but some of us fizzled, including myself. Saturday night, we really chrystalized our newly learned skills. Dragging my exhausted body out on Saturday was a challenge, but somehow I did it. We ran into some competing bootcamps at the places we went, but that actually made it more interesting. We had enough game by then to isolate and keep the conversations going.

Since the bootcamp, I have been using my techniques in the field and reporting back to guys from the bootcamp. Two of us from the bootcamp have gone out a couple of times, but I have yet to hook up with the local D.C. group. I'm tempted to take an NYC course, where I own another apartment and where most of my old friends still live.

I had the pleasure of meeting Knack at another social event before I took the bootcamp, and corresponded with him for a while after that. I explained to Knack that my main interest in this is helping others in the stuttering community. As a lifelong stutterer who is an active member of the National Stuttering Association and the World Congress on Stuttering, I have seen how men who suffer from this condition often go through life unable to meet women. 80% of stutterers are men, and few will ever take such a course as this unless it is taught by someone from the stuttering community and if the course is directed towards those with this problem. I look forward to continuing to work with the great guys I met in this bootcamp, improving my own skills and, I hope, being able to help others in the stuttering community. Perhaps there could be a workshop at one of our annual conventions.
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I came out to Chicage not knowing what to expect. I'd been working solo for a year and this was going to be my first workshop experience. I understood that through the course of the weekend a lot of new concepts would be thrown our way. It became obvious to me that the instructor would have a difficult job making the material interesting and understandable. That being said, Lovedrop did not dissappoint. He knew his stuff from background evolution to the various techniques used by RSD, Speed Seduction, Cocky Funny and of course, The Venusian Arts.

On Saturday evening, with my newly aquired knowledge, I successfully opened 4 out of 5 sets. The highlight occured when I got a hostess so interested after a CT - IOD combo, that she threw ice at me from a cooler, begging me to continue a palm reading after I had hand tossed and walked away!

Overall, I had a great time, but this is just the begining. I'm heading back to another Conference and hopefully I'll see you guys there.

I'm just beginning to come to terms with the fact that I've spent this weekend training with Mystery and the guys. I can't describe how amazing this experience was for me. Absolutely fantastic.
Before joining the boot camp my main aim was just to meet Mystery in the flesh and meet some like minded individuals.
In my own head I thought I already had pretty good skills but this has just opened my eyes to how things should really be done.
Mystery is such an eloquent orator and inspiring. What I love about him is his giving nature where he just tells you everything he knows and is genuinely happy for you to become good at this. This is why giving people have good karma and positive energy in their lives.
Discovery was a brilliant speaker and teacher. His passion was inspiring and his enthusiasm for what he does is so infectious. Just seeing him smile before we went in field was enough to make us have that impact upon entering the clubs.
I would like also to give a sincere thanks to Annika, Caddy and Jeremy for all their help and guidance in field and for their wonderful friendship outside the field.
I can't wait to be part of the Alumni and see all you guys again.
Also the friendships that I've made with the other students on the boot camp will remain with me.
Shout outs to Michael from Phili especially and Sion, Tony, Alex, Hans...
Some of the highlights for me:
Having the most gorgeous Brazilian hottie on my lap in the vip at embassy...seeing Mystery in action and having him in inspire me and talk to me in field...
working the room at Boujis and roof garden and embassy and my fellow students high fiving me when hotties were hanging on my every word and isolating to sofas with me..
And having Annika wing me and make look good...even if it's against the rules i gotta say she has such a kind hearted nature and those piercing latino dark eyes...wow...
And of course me running out of Boujis to tell the paparazzi that Mystery is in town and that they need to get pics with him...that was such a rush...
I'm sure I'll remember more high points later but for now I just want to say to anyone out there to just not hesitate and to do this boot camp. you won't regret it...

Just wanted to comment a little bit, cuz this bootcamp really was amazing. Even though I was not in field with mystery and the other trainers, just seeing their passion for the game when they explained the theory behind it was truly amazing and incredible inspireing.

So thanks to all you guys for making this an incredible weekend..

I've had the best weekend ever!!

I would like to thank Mystery, Discovery, Bexter, Annika, Caddy and Moonlight for such a brilliant time in the seminar and in-field! I just can't say enough to thank you guys on how much the bootcamp has helped me and has definitely changed my life!

A big shout out to all of the students Leon, Hans, Mo, Neil, Vikas, Mikey and all students that attended.

Can't wait to go out again this week!