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Hey guys - took a bootcamp in London with Ozzie a couple of weeks ago and it was awesome! I know many of you reading this hear countless times that you have to take a bootcamp and it will really help you. Well, the reason I waited a few weeks to right this review / FR is due to the fact that I personally wanted to see how taking a bootcamp affected my game and general social skills. Although it has only been about 3 weeks, the results have spoken for themselves already.

My background was that I had been in the game for over 4 years now after taking a bootcamp with a very well known PUA in 2005. I started on indirect game back then, but on my own accord, found my success to be far greater when I was natural. However, I had a lot of issues throughout the years of using "my version of game." I had never really got to that rock star level of consistency based on tactics. Although I was using "natural" game for the past 2-3 years, it wasn't natural in the sense that I kept using tactics, although I wasn't using pickup lines. What do I mean by this? Well - I would communicate my real life's stories and what not, but everything throughout the pickup, from meet to sex, was based on a set of tactics that are oh so popular in this community. What this caused me to do was, as everyone says, put a band aid over my gaping wound of core confidence and self esteem. I considered woman to be of higher value and I had to use tactics and techniques to get them into bed and to keep them around.

This kind of horrible thought loop of endless tactics and techniques made me into an "advanced supplicator" and didn't inspire core confidence in me. As Ozzie showed me, I had a social self and a real self, where the social self was the act I put on to make people like me in fear of social rejection and embarrassment. My tactic based approach could get some women into bed (and very hot ones / celebrity / models), however, due to the fact that it was so tactic based, it wasn't really me. This would lead to MASSIVE inconsistency, coming from a position of scarcity, always qualifying myself to the girl even after I had slept with her, and a dizzying array of ego-inflating thought loops and behaviors.

Why I took the bootcamp? It's simple - I WANTED CONSISTENCY & CHOICE AMONGST WOMEN WITH EFFORTLESS EASE.

So - then I met Ozzie and I could sense that this weekend would be a very memorable and educational one. It's funny, but on the way to the bootcamp, I saw a rainbow in the sky - I had not seen a rainbow in years guys...it was just freaky. I felt like this was supposed to happen - that every frustration and pickup related material or theory I had implemented in the past 4 years was a necessary signpost leading me to this bootcamp. This was it - the road to total and utter mastery.

I'm not going to go into detail about what we did throughout the seminar as it is detailed in many other spots - all I can say is that Ozzie is a master at making you feel social pressure beyond any means you have felt before. I'm a guy who has been doing pickup a long time as well as public speaking, and I felt such social pressure in certain drills that I couldn't even comprehend how I was going to go on. If you take this bootcamp, be prepared to destroy the chode in you. Rather, be prepared to have your chode self shot in the chest with a triple barrel shotgun from point blank range.

Anyway, let's get onto the FR:

FRIDAY NIGHT

We get to the club and run a body language drill that sets us up for projecting properly during the night. I went around just being social with everyone in the bar for a bit. Talked to some guy & girl mixed sets, girl-girl 2 sets, and all went well. The key to this was NON-REACTION SEEKING and NON-OUTCOME DEPENDENCE. Guys, this seems like such a simple concept, but when applied properly, you can see your results shoot through the roof. If you expect nothing out of other people, they won't expect anything out of you and you will both be on the receiving end of authentic communication - this AUTHENTIC COMMUNICATION is your value to women as a man...hell as a man to a man. From human to human, if we all speak to each other authentically without ego, or agenda - it's truly a beautiful thing. This is something you have to experience first hand and cannot be put into words.
That's it - that is what people call "natural game" defined simply.

Another key - when you are "warmed up" and in a "non-reactive" state, everything just flows. You cannot run out of things to say, and even if you do, you can say whatever you want and it still works. I started talking about how I drooled sometimes when I slept and girls just laughed and thought it was cute without any drop in attraction (it actually increased). NON-REACTION SEEKING IS THE FREAKING KEY TO ALL PICKUP!

So, I approach a two set at the bar and using this authentic communication, I number close within about 5 minutes with the girl literally making sure she put her number in correctly a couple of times. Her friend kept dragging away, ah well. Very good interaction in the end and saw her looking at me throughout the night

Next, I go to wing the other student in a two set that seems to be going pretty well. Completely natural, non-reaction seeking, the set busts open for me and I'm getting physical with the girl in a couple of minutes. This Brazilian girl barely speaks any English and I had to talk very slow and clearly (like exaggerated) just so she could follow my conversation. Funny thing is, when your sub-communication is on, what you say is almost irrelevant. Imagine is as though you were speaking to Angelina Jolie - you wouldn't mind it even if she told you about how she took her dog for a walk that day and picked up its shit. That's what's happening with the girl, you are this super high value, non-reactive guy who is just chatting her and filling her with good emotions via authentic communication (you could call this the "vibe").

So, I move the girl to the bar because I want to get a glass of water and I'm clawing her. She's into it, so I bounce her in the club again upstairs, leading the entire time, and sit down on the couch. At this point, the other student seems to have lost the set and my targets girl joins us upstairs and I can see her attraction for me flaring up while I'm chatting the friend. Anyway, I go for the pull - I get to the point of grabbing a cab and the girls suddenly say they live just around the corner and have to go home. I take the number (very solid number) and that's the end of day 1.

SATURDAY NIGHT

Once again, we do some social pressure exercises before going out. Some of these exercises are just down right embarrassing you might say, but hey it definitely gets you into state and state gets you laid, so I just do it. We go to a pub before the actual club in order to be social and get going. I get in and immediately open a 2 set of MILFS. It's going well, but we're just being social so no game and I leave to do more sets. Ozzie pushes me to open guy / girl mixed sets and I have no problem with it as they all bust wide open. Both of these sets lasted 30 minutes or more with the guys basically choding themselves out and giving their power away to me. Once again, I was just being social, non-reactive seeking and everyone starts qualifying themselves. In my previous tactic based approaches, it seemed like I was always doing so many things, facing shit tests, knowing how to overcome them, and then kept on doing tactics - there's no authenticity in tactic based game and girls can sense this.

On to the club - one key thing I noticed is that when you have so much social pressure on you, your anxiety just goes away. I thought to myself, well I just made myself look like a complete idiot and I'm still alive...how hard can it be just to go up and chat with a girl and get physical with her.

So, we get into the club and Ozzie pushes me into a seated 6-set of all girls. No problem, I head over there and it opens with effortless ease. I'm sitting next to my target and I began to get really physical with her and am holding dead-locked eye contact with her, letting the tension build. I say to her friends that this is my girlfriend for the next 5 minutes and put my arm around her again, and they all start saying "Well why can't we be your girlfriends." Awesome stuff guys - total non-reactiveness gets other people reacting to the reality you dictate. I notice the fatty in the set and immediately engage her and get friendly with her. I decide to push the set and we move to the dance floor to dance. I'm getting physical with my girl and the other girls are totally into me as well. When I'm not dancing with my girl, I'm dancing with her brunette girlfriend and she is grabbing my hand and moving it down her stomach and legs - great stuff. My girl is getting hounded by a bunch of chodes, so I block the chodes out with my body language and they notice that I'm owning this set and don't approach anymore.

I had to piss like a racehorse so I went to the bathroom, came back, and the same chodes are all over my 6-set! I'm trying to fight them off and they keep coming in and out. Relentless these guys were. I try to ignore them and keep focusing on the girls but the dance floor is SO CHAOTIC - so I grab my girl and start grinding with her hardcore. She's into it for about 5 minutes when one of her friends drags her to the bathroom. So, I'm still there with the 4 remaining girls and dancing with the horny brunette from earlier just to stay in state. For about 30 minutes I do not see my girl and I go looking for her - NOTHING?!?! I literally could not find her.

Anyway, I find Ozzie and he corners me and says "You don't have to run anymore sets, you get it. That is it - what you've done...that's the game. Just run long sets and go for the pull whenever you go out and you will get a lot of pussy." I felt some relief - maybe I wasn't so far from my goal of abundance as I thought. I know I have it in me, and as Ozzie says, it's a matter of pushing the social self down and letting your brain access that higher self - that sexworthy guy - that guy THAT JUST FUCKING PULLS. We all have it in us, we just have to perform simple principles correctly and your brain will give you access to your true self.

I ran a couple more sets, just for fun really. All went well, but the club was closing. I was completely exhausted and my brain felt fried.

Guys, there are no words for this stuff, you just have to experience it. When you experience that higher self, you pull. That's it. That is the game.

LESSONS LEARNED:

1. You cannot control other people's behavior, only your own
2. Non-reaction seeking and non-outcome dependence is THE KEY to pickup
3. Simple principles applied correctly determine the outcome
4. Be process oriented, not outcome oriented
5. Don't have unrealistic expectations of yourself or others
6. Don't worry about that which is not in your control

What I experienced - that was it - that was the game. Now it's just a matter of making that game a part of my true self.

Thank you so much Ozzie for an unforgettable experience.

It is very hard for me to surmise what I learnt this weekend in terms of COLD HARD FACTS. Notes? I have about 4 loosely-spaced pages of notes. That's not the important stuff. The important stuff is what changed INSIDE me. Inside my mind.

I have had to unlearn many bad habits. As far as I am concerned, '10Pin' - or at least, the 10Pin of old - is dead. He loved to get positive reactions and praise, and the absence of that would get to him. In other words...attention junky. Wanted the validation. When we were sitting down in the restaurant on Sunday, Ozzie had us sit down and we talked about spike questions and plotlines. More often than not, my spike questions were coming from a place of 'being outrageous' - in order to get a reaction:

"CONTRIVED WEIRDNESS vs SINCERITY OF EXPRESSION"

I didn't really realize it - I used to think 'bringing the party' meant going WILD - but Ozzie pointed it out. On Saturday night in the field, he even had to tell me to 'calm down' with my dance floor game Thing about Ozzie is, despite all his rep as a high-energy player, he wants to build CONSISTENT players. He kept talking about this.

And its funny, because whilst I'd posted up some crazy LRs and FRs in the past, I'd also posted up a bunch of questions asking, 'How do I get consistent?'

I realized how to do this this weekend. Opened about 30 sets with, 'Hey. What's up? I'm ...', and EVERY set opened and hooked. Sure, some staled out - most did - because Ozzie said we couldn't do outer game. We just had to plow. But hey, everything's an IOI in Ozzie's book, so provided they still stood there and listened its all good.

It's crazy though. Because I see some people's bootcamp reports and it seems to be like, 'WOW YEAH I K & FCLOSED 5 girls each night' or something. In terms of 'results' it was actually a fairly disappointing weekend for me - only 1 pull - but I learnt SO much. In fact, this focus on 'results' was what was SCREWING MY GAME in the first place.

Ozzie pointed things out, and directed me to learn the lessons about myself. And when you learn something for yourself, the knowledge tends to become more solidly ingrained into you than it does when you are passively absorbing someone else's knowledge.

That's why, for all the DVDs and eBooks and whatever, God do I wish I had taken a bootcamp first instead.

No bad habits to unlearn. No conflicting advices to resolve. Blank slate, to be built upwards. For anyone out there now, I would advise stopping with the forums, stopping with everything and just going to bootcamp so you don't learn any of the bad advice which permeates every single place on the internet.

The whole weekend was a lot different to how I'd expected. All this talk of 'nimbus' and so on...didn't really get that. Ozzie was not trying to pump our state all weekend. It was actually very chilled. Instead, I just got a massive enlightenment, and learnt a lot. Ozzie is the man. The real deal.

I feel now like I am in a period of rebuilding my game, and refocusing it as a consistent player. As a result, I don't think I will be checking into the forums anymore, though I still plan on staying in touch with some of you. I will only return when I am sure my ego is not being built up online by praise; when the praise and the criticism is in balance with myself. But otherwise its 'up on the forums, everyone thinks I'm some mad playa etc'...ego building. Certainly, I let it build my ego. I enjoyed it because I used to suck so horrendously with women.

I gotta let that go.

I feel profoundly that, this weekend, my game has been totally broken down, and I have been given the pieces to rebuild it in the most positive of ways.

It's been a pretty profound, reflective experience for me.

Anyway, that's my bootcamp experience. I hope that is of some help to you guys, particularly those who are already fairly skilled in the game and wonder what a bootcamp can offer them.

I'd also hope that RSD really start switching completely over to this way of teaching. Foundations is a good product but wildly different to the experience you can expect to find on bootcamp (and bootcamp is where it is at, in my opinion).

It was a really great experience. Thanks guys, thanks Ozzie. It is up to me to use this to move forward in my game, and in life.

Just finished my bootcamp last weekend with Jeffy. Assisting him were Clinton and Greg. All really cool guys to chill with.

First night:
Headed up to the Clift Hotel in SF to meet with Jeffy. Got there a few minutes early so I checked out the lounge, good amount of hot women there. Sat down in the lobby for a second and recognized Jeffy from the photos online. Introduced myself to Jeffy and met Clinton also. Sat down and Jeff immediately asked me two questions, what do you do and what do you want to gain from this bootcamp. I told him I run a medical cannabis dispensary here in the bay and that I can already get average chicks very regularly but that I want to be able to [get] every hot chick I am attracted to. He said "I have a great feeling about you but I'm also scared you might get aids in the next six months." I laughed and knew this was going to be a good weekend. The other student for the bootcamp shows up and be asks him similar questions. Then he gives us the run down for the weekend as to what is expected from us. We listen to Jeff breakdown how he pulls women for a while and it amps me up for the night. Greg arrives and I noticed I liked his laid back vibe. After some more talk it's off to the club. We hit up Elbow Room in the mission. Once in Jeff tells me to go approach a 3 set. Chat it up, women aren't that receptive so I stay in set doing some self amusing, all of a sudden Jeff is winging me. His shit is golden, he is funny as hell. I try not to spectate but I do want to see him work his magic. I'm doing some kino and then I see Clinton in the set. He has different style than Jeff and I liked seeing him in set. The women start to open up a little. We are in set for maybe 15 mins. The women want to smoke so we move on to more sets since the night just started. I am approaching everything I see, whenever I see Jeff he asks how the set went down and gives me some pointers. He was dead on with his evaluations. Next is the 30 second game. I am in sets in like under 10 seconds. Now I feel warmed up. Talking to Jeff and he points to a hot 8.5 that literally just walked in. I walk up, claw her and am like " I love your hair...it reminds me of... Hitler." She laughs and eats it up. Tells her friend what I said and then says she is going to the bar to get a drink. I don't want to follow her like some chode so I tell her I will see her later. Next I see a chick, probably an 8, approach her claw her and get close as hell to her face. She kinos me back. I am doing some self amusing stuff on her and she gives me a shit test. "I have boyfriend"..."that's nice." push her up against the staircase and kino harder. "I tell her she should come home with me." she says "I didn't say no"...after a minute I ask her if she wants to kiss me(I should never have said this, just went for it) says no. I am still reactive at this point in the night (which I should not have been) tell her why are you standing here then (I f..ked up here), she looks puzzled and I blow myself out with this one. I was in state and didn't give a shit at the time, did another approach in like seconds. A few sets later a chick at the end of the bar catches my eye, she's with her friend who is also kinda hot. Open with a double claw "you ladies are sexy, I had to come introduce myself". The hotter chick with an accent says "hey you're the one who called me hitler". I didn't recogize her because I was just like a robot by that time approaching every hot woman I seen. "Yeah I did" we laugh and it's on. Talking to her and her friend for a while and I'm showing intent and doing a bunch of cocky funny self amusing stuff. After about 15 mins. Jeffy sees me in need of a wing and comes in to the set. After about two more mins. another friend comes into the set and is trying to get her friends to go home, I talk to this friend also. Starting to kino my target harder but her friend keeps butting in. I sense they are going to leave the venue so I go for a number close (in retrospect I should have gone for the kiss close). She just moved her a week before from Norway and only has an international number. Gives me the info for the hotel she is staying at and her facebook info. They leave and it's on to the next set. Approach a cute redhead when I see one of the guys talking to her friend (I think it was Greg but can't remember for sure), she scoots over and tells me to sit down. Chat it up for a minute and realize it's close to two 2 a.m. Keep kinoing and trying to push the interaction. The lights turn on and the place is closing. We try to bring them with us since we are going to eat. One of their friends is shit faced drunk and they don't want to leave her but we continue to talk with them. I number close the redhead and watched Greg kino hard as hell on his target. I really liked seeing him show strong intent, great pick up artist. We go get something to eat and recap the night. Before we leave the cafe a fat chick tries to open me but I really didn't come to bootcamp to close fat chicks since I could close much better chicks already. Go back to my hotel and review my night.

Day Two:

I could barely sleep so I wake up at 7:30 a.m. Decide to hit the gym because I hate missing a day of my workout routine. Get back around 11:30 a.m. and go back to sleep so that i'm rested for the night. I meet up with Jeffy, Clinton and Greg at Clift Hotel at 7:00 p.m. They give advice and I happy to hear that they think I did great and that I'm not going to have any problems mastering this. Basically Jeffy said escalate harder and sooner and Clinton and Greg said just stay in the field constantly. We hit the lounge at Clift Hotel and begin the second night, I immediately approach sets the moment we step in. Jeffy tells me to open a seated six set with the "Showcase" since they liked the way I demo'd it earlier that night. I showcased a few times that night and it was funny and opened well. Came into a set with Clinton and Jeffy and talked it up with this hot latina chick. I got to see Jeffy do the motorboat on this blonde chick. I kept approaching all the hot chicks in the venue. Saw these 3 chicks, two hot one not, sitting on this cramped little couch. Went up to the one I liked and kinoed and literally sat on top of their table. They opened smoothly, did a bunch of self amusing stuff on them and Jeffy came in to wing. He pulled the two other chicks off the couch (didn't actually see how he did it because I was focused on my target) and I sat next to my target hip to hip. She was into me for sure and I kino hard. She then pulled shit tests on me. "Buff guys don't make me wet" she said (yeah f**king right). "good thing I'm not buffed" and laughed while I push my chest out into hers. She liked it and we talked another minute, then some more shit tests. She said "You probably do this with women all the time. You probably don't even remember my name?" I said "I approach quality women when I see them, besides you probably don't remember my name?" Immediately she said my name back to me. Shit I forgot her name. This seemed to piss her off because the name I did remember was not hers it was her friends. We continued to talk and an AMOG came into the set. "Don't I know you" he said to her. "I think we met before" she said. I cut this interaction off and say "how's it going bro." He puts his hand out I shake it firmly and say " good to meet you, you have a nice night." He is standing on my side and I turn to her and get close as hell to her face and continue the conversation as though he is not there. He chodes around for a minute and then leaves. I still think she is pissed though that I forgot her name so I just keep plowing. I told her that amoung other things I write poetry. Said some over the top poems to her, really crazy shit. She laughed alot but I could tell the interaction was still not as good as it was before I forgot her name. She got up to get a drink and instead of waiting for her to come back I followed this HB9 I saw and opened her on the other side of the venue. That one went okay but I didn't show enough intent. Did a bunch more approaches and even winged a little. I remember the chick who's name I forgot and went to find her. Her friend (the one who's name I did remember) was in the lobby and said that her friend just left. I said "good because I really wanted talk with you but I didn't want to be rude to your friend." Sat down next to her and put my arm around her. I figured I had run alot of game on these chicks earlier so I went to comfort building. "I am definatley attracted to you phsically but a man like me needs more than that. What are you passionate about?" She ate this up and talked about a bunch things she liked for a while. The place was about to close and I told her to come hang with us. She said that her other friend drove her (ugly freind) and she couldn't leave her. I number closed and met up with the guys outside. We recapped and got something to eat. Just so happened we were eating right across the street from where I was staying (Hilton). I did one last approach on some ugly chicks because I just wanted to pull. I went okay but my intent was not there because I was in know way attracted to them. Went back to my room and texted the chick I number closed and told her I hoped she made it home okay and then teased her about a joke I had made earlier in the night. Went to bed after that because I was tired as hell.

Day Three: (Day Game)

Woke up at 11:00 a.m. to a text from the girl from the night before. She thanked me for caring she got home okay and reffered to me as the hulk (guess all that time in the gym shows). Met up with Jeffy, Clinton and Greg at Union Square. I was feeling great. Did some warm up approachs and then started to really feel in state. It got to a point where I was approaching every woman that peaked my interest. Number closed 3 times and got great responses from most every woman I talked to. I thought to myself this is what nimbus must feel like. The day went by so fast. I was sad that this weekend was all over and really enjoyed every minute of it. Jeffy told me again that he really believed I could master this game and that was why he said on the first meeting that I could have aids in six months, because he could tell I was serious when I said I wanted to close tons of hot women. I left these guys about 7 p.m. and really felt that it was one the best experiences of my life. I would do it all over again in a heart beat. I went back to the hotel and called the chick from the night before. I really wanted to close that night but she was busy. Since then we have talked back and forth and I gonna hang with her on my next day off. I will let you guys know how it goes.

Conclusion:

This weekend really changed the way I game. It has improved every part of my game and I am getting ready to do a 30 day challenge. At least 10 sets a day for thirty days. I am so serious about this that I am changing my schedule at work to make time to game everyday. Now I would like to get tons of infield experience and even find some wings to game with. Anyone in the bay area that wants to wing with me let me know, I'm always down for getting new chicks. A big thanks to Jeffy, Clinton and Greg for all the help.