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I imagine that most people reading reviews like this one are guys trying to decide if shelling out three grand and a weekend of their life is either going to, (a) change their life for the better, like everyone says, or (b) just add up to another wasted 72+ hours and, even worse, a new monetary representation of just how big a failure their life is.

These are all questions I batted around for a few weeks when I was trying to decide whether this was a good idea or not. For those of you looking to compare, I'm mid-twenties, have had about a half-dozen partners, but lately have suffered some life setbacks and got LJBFd by a bunch of women, and it was screwing with my mind. I recognized that this was turning into a self-defeating pattern, and I realized that I didn't know why it was happening. I sensed that I would find the answer(s) at a bootcamp, even though I couldn't be sure. I decided that I would rather risk a failure than pass by the opportunity for success. I knew that if I didn't do it, I would always blame myself for not trying, and that would be so much worse than admitting afterward that it was a bad decision.

That being said, I have absolutely no regrets after taking the bootcamp, even though the dollars are still a little tight, and I still have a lot of growing to do. It turned out to be everything I expected it to be, which is saying a lot because my expectations were through the ceiling. But Fader in particular is the reason I got so much more out of it than I expected.

I had my doubts about bootcamps. For one thing it was the cost and another the travel. Fader made it worthwhile. I recently bought Savoy's 'magic bullets' couple weeks ago. Finished it and wanted to put theory into practice. Signed up for LA bootcamp but was too late it soldout. I was redirected to Houston. Don't know anything about the community or reputation of instructors! Got off the plane on Friday and went directly to meet Fader in the hotel. My first impression was he seem very charismatic. We got going on the material immediately. I have to say the lecture was intense. So much to learn and so little time! Fader is very knowledgable in the pickup game. That night we went out and watch him in action. First set of two bitches he got shot down immediately. Good to see that it didn't bother him. He went straight into another set. We ended going to another venue where we saw him number closed twice! It was fun seeing him do his thing. He made everyone opened a set and apply what we learned earlier. The night ended well. Next day we continued with lecture material and we went to out again to apply what we learned. Pretty much everyone opened sets and number closed. So proud of my group. We ended up meeting the dj after the club closed and hang out with him at a strip club and afterhour club. What a night! The next day we continued with lecture. Fader is a great instructor. He knows his shit! He's a walking encyclopedia of pick games. More importantly he's approachable, kind and honest. I think if you are thinking about a bootcamp you should signup with Fader and go through with it. I'm glad I did. Thanks Fader you're the best!!!

I took the bootcamp because picking up women has been a hobby of mine for quite some time. I mainly did it trough body language, untill a few months ago when i discovered the mystery method, realized that i was missing real game, and from there on started reading everything on game i could get my hands on, and been applying it succesfully.
Getting with a higher caliber women consistently was my aim. However, seeing a pro in action and getting a deeper understanding of the emotional progression model were also strong motivators.
day1

First of all I thought that mr. m was an awesome guy, and very inspiring, just like keychain, vercetti, and soul.
The seminar part was a lot of stuff i already knew, that bothered me a bit, luckely mr m answered every specific question i had and this helped me get those parts i didnt put together in my head yet.

the in field part of day 1 was a lot of opening, i felt good getting pushed into sets a lot, although in my opinion the girls werent that hot.
mr m did some awesome demonstrations, i saw right away how good he was.
I opened every girl i found a little attractive, but as i said, they werent really hot by my standards. I Kiss and # closed one of the cute girls i approached, but this wasnt really anything special for me.

day 2

The seminar part was again a lot i already knew(dont get me wrong, i didnt expect anything really new, when u know it u know it, right?), but it also was very helpful to have it explained personally by mr m.

that day i was really hoping i would get to do what i wanted to do, which was learn how to cold approach 9's and 10's, or at least work on my transitioning and qualifying.
But again, the girls didnt really meet my standards, and they were hard to open, because it was a low end club and the girls there were just so used to brushing of all those losers, that they didnt wanna talk to anybody, i think. T l;east it made it harder for me.
Come to think of it, i might also just have been tired from the night before and it was affecting my game.
Soul, vercetti and keychain all did very nice demonstrations and i got great advice from all of them. Which applied, it worked, but... not on the high caliber women i wantedto try it on because they just werent there this was kinda frustrating, i'm sure everybody noticed that it affected my mood at the end of the night. I always have this when i'm in western europe, just the low caliber women... it's hard to accept when u r not used to it.

day 3.

day 3 was a lot of fun, we discussed a loit that happened i really enjoyed hearing from other guys that they had some successes, made me feel good
I was really tired though.
Alot of useful things were said.

At the end i felt like i didnt really get to do what i wanted to do though. i had a lot of mixed feelings about it. At one point the fact that i met the instructors was inspiring for me, and it WAS a great experience all together. But i wanted to practice cold approaches on 9's and 10's and that just wasnt what i had done.
Thinking the whole thing over as i'm back in poznan, i DO feel like i had a lifechanging experience, i really do... but i still didnt have and instructor present as i was gaming those super hot, bitchy, polish 10's(in western europe these would be 11's and 12's i guess, but for me they arent. I do pick up polish 8's and sometimes 9's and i guess over there they would be 10's)
I can't help but be a bit disapoiinted by it, after all... it was the main reason i wanted to come as this was the one thing i really felt i needed help with, and at that point.. i think i'm still where i was.
Before i took the bootcamp, the program manager told me that after this bootcamp i would have the confidence and the skillset to approach any 9 or 10 i saw walking down the street, i gotta tell u... this isnt true.
what also bothered me was that everybody was so 'impressed' or whatever when i kissed that girl or when another girl was all over me.. really.. for me that was nothing special what so ever, it actually felt more like a step down than anything else maybe i should've taken an advanced bootcamp, but i dont really see myself as advanced, i mean.. WHAT IS ADVANCED?? right?


All together:

it WAS absolutely a great experience.
Mr M, Keychain, Vercetti, and Soul, are absolute AWESOME guys that i'm happy to have had the privelege to meet, and get their advice.
I feel changed, i'll let time tell how much.. i just don't know yet.
right after the bootcamp i started calling all my girls and in conversations with them i noticed how i was using the personal advice mr m gave and it really felt good
I also feel like it might do my proffesional life much good, but as said.. time will tell.

ps. i wanted to give u guys a few pics with me and my polish girls, to show u that i wasnt exaggerating when i was talking about how hot polish girls are. I will post the pics in the lounge when i'll get access, for privacy reasons.

peace.

EDIT:

ok I wanna come back on a few issues here.

Today i number closed a 9 in the shopping mall. i never did that before. i have to credit soul for this completely.
so.. after all, i did learn a lot. I can feel it, i'm a changed man
i was just in such a bad mood because the women in germany were so ugly compared to the women im used to in poland that i thought i didnt practise what i wanted.

I can recommend the bootcamp to every one

I attended the Oslo bootcamp with Mr M, Vercetti and Keychain last weekend and wanted to write a review for guys thinking about going to one.

Mr M is an excellent presenter. He seems to have such a vast reservoir of understanding on women that he is completely comfortable talking for hours on a topic like attraction, going really deeply into the subject, whilst still holding everyone’s attention completely. I ended up having to borrow a new pen and more paper I took so many notes.

I feel like a bootcamp would be really beneficial for someone who understands basic structure (while it is all covered, it definitely helps to have read Magic Bullets, etc) and has a decent number of approaches under their belt, but is ready to take it to the next level.

You can learn all the lines from books and forums but it’s pretty pointless if you’re making mistakes you’re not conscious of. A bootcamp might save you years of mixed results. And it’s a lot of fun too.

Actually I'm quite successful and have dates with girls every week. But they all come through my social circles and I want to add a new level to my game.
I finally accept that I cant handle this on my own and decide to sign up for the lovesystems bootcamp. Hopefully Mr. M and his team will be able to help me solve my approach anxiety.
Seminar:
I liked the first location better. We could get food and a decent coffee. The Material you learn is top notch and I appreciate not to have to paint my nails black to be successful. The feedback session before the lecture is awesome. I would love to have more practice sessions for the material. The routines themselves you can read in the routines manual.

In field:
2 lead instructors, 2 instructors, 5 rockstars, 2 approach coaches...
speaks for itself. There is nowhere hide, you have to approach, all the time!! Period.

Mr M.:
Did most of the lecturing. He's a great teacher and his subcommunications are perfect. I realized that when he showed us poor subcommunications, it was crazy to see how it changed his persona completely.
I would have loved to see him in action during in field, maybe next time

Soul:
He was leading my group the first night and gave me some valuable feedback all over the night. E.g. he told me to take the lead during conversation to make physical escalation possible. His day game lecture was a real eye opener.

Keychain:
I had already met keychain a week earlier at his rapid escalation mini seminar. He pushed me into lots of sets both nights and gave me helpful feedback to it. He also helped me with my sticking points. His talks on Seduction and rapid escalation were extremely funny and valuable.
Ohh and thanks again for pushing fetus face on me

Vercetti:
He helped me with improving my voice projection so I could be heard in the load night club. And of course your last minute date tip was golden!!!! It totally set the right tone for the date.

Josh:
Josh helped me tremendously on the first night. He viciously pushed me into sets and helped me with my opening and transition. He helped me open a mixed set with 4 girls 2 guys using an opinion opener. We used the Luis Vitton bag opener, but instead of attracting the girls we got a gay guy to buy us drinks. Better than nothing

Alex:
On the second night Alex helped me with my direct opener. He corrected me until it sounded genuine. I thought I'd never make it but he pushed me to the limits.

Tom:
He was one of the German approach coaches and he helped me both at night and day. On the second night he pushed me into lots of sets and waited until I was done to tell me what I did wrong. He also translated most of the lines into proper German to use it in field, that was very helpful.

other Rockstars:
I had a good time talking to the other Rockstars, they were fun to talk to and very encouraging.

other students:
I had a blast with you and I'm very happy that you all were successful. Hope that we keep in touch.

To sum it all up I had an amazing time, the seminar part was fun and interesting, the in field part was challenging and rewarding. To Mr M and the other instructors, I feel like you opened a door for me and I took the first step through, I now have to keep walking to fully make it through. I'll keep you posted.
Thanks for changing my life and a new perspective on whats possible.

Before the program I was doing a lot of intrigue-attraction but not enough teasing in order to get buying temperature. I have specifically learned a number of games to play with the girls. I liked Mr. M teaching funny pick-up dialogs. All instructors were were friendly, genuine and helpful. There were always up to 3 instructors around students during the nights. Having their backup in a set feels fantastic. Thanks for the teachings and the motivation. Also, big thank you to all the friendship from the other students.