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Like many of you, I was really excited by the prospect of a bootcamp that could improve my skills with women. Obviously, the go-to company that came to mind was love-systems and being that the program was coming to my city, I felt I needed to sign up.

Fast forward to the day of the bootcamp. The instructors arrive late to the first day of instruction, which, is not that much of a biggie. Then, they ask us to take a picture of the front and back of our driver's license and credit card, which I thought to be invasive, but, that too, was no biggie. Then, we were informed that a camera crew would be filming our seminar and infield session. I was more than a little irritated by the prospect of a camera-crew being present during our session. Okay, I don't know about all of you, but shelling out 3 grand for a seminar on how to get better with girls is already an extremely embarrassing situation. Now, picture you in a room with other students learning about this stuff, and have a room full of camera crew-men filming, laughing, and commenting on the bootcamp. When we were learning some scripts of openers it was intimidating to be watched by all of these guys. Anyways. during the first day of the seminar, we learned some inner game stuff and some basic openers to go in with. Literally all of the stuff that I learned I had already read previously. Some of the other stuff seemed so cheesy that I wouldn't have been able to say it in field. Whatever, the main reason I took the bootcamp was to practice with these guys in field, so I was going to let all previous transgressions slide. When we got infield...low and behold, there was the camera staff. We went in field and Tenmagnet said that we would be treated as a priority over the camera crew, which was assuring. I had approached hundreds of girls using the exact same lines as these instructors, but I wanted to see close up, just how these lines were executed, which is why I had paid a premium for this service. As soon as Tenmagnet had approached a set, I followed him in to see what he was saying and how he was saying it. He then left the set..which was a little odd. Later, while we were venue changing he told me that I was not allowed to enter his sets unless an instructor invited me in. I was taken aback by this comment, and had complained to the junior instructor about this. He said he was sorry but the only reason Tenmagnet had said that was because he was filming and he needed some quality shots. Woah there, I just spent 3k and I frankly don't care if you're filming. It would have been fine if I was actually invited in to some sets at some point. But by the end of my first day I had not seen 1 SINGLE DEMONSTRATION UP CLOSE. Nevermind the fact that they had left the bootcamp early the first day...I was infuriated, and complained to the instructor. I was literally begging and pleading with both instructors to do a set with me but they KEPT REFUSING. Then they put it back on me telling me that I should go approach sets for experience. At this point, I've done 100 freaking approaches using the exact material you taught me, I wanted to do some with the actual instructors. The second day after the instructors again showed up late we learned some material, which again could be found online for free. Then we went out again for the next night with the instructors again being late. This time I thought the camera crew wasn't going to be there, and I was elated by this fact and had even shared this with the instructor. Low and behold...the camera crew came back for the second night. I was so pissed. Both of the instructors had kept telling me stories about their approaches that night and how much success they had. If I didn't see it, how is that a demo. How is that different from reading about it online. Whatever. The last day the instructors again showed up late. This day we learned some more stuff about dates, text game etc. Okay I will give them that the last day I had learned some quality material. But I'm sure if I looked hard enough that too could be found online. I had left the last day knowing that I would go back home and ask for my money back at the first chance I could. It was then that I discovered that the bootcamp policy is that you ask for your money back at the seminar. I couldn't get my money back for my travesty of an experience because I complained about the bootcamp a few hours after the fiasco. I thought it was way too uncomfortable for me to ask the very people who conducted the bootcamp for my money back in front of all of the students and I was punished by this.

I wrote an email to Tenmagnet explaining how much awful I thought the bootcamp was and he promised me infield footage of his approaches. I was happy that he was at least doing something to make amens for his poor performance at the bootcamp. However, several months went by and he still did not give me what was promised to me. When I finally asked for an update he told me that he was unable to give me any footage because the film company considered in confidential.

All in all, I would have to say the junior instructor during my session (Intrigue) definitely did have skill in field. Tenmagnet was alright (I guess) But in the end I feel like a 1/10 review is waayyyyyyy tooo generous for these guys.

I took two Love Systems bootcamps: Night game with Fader, and Day game with Nick

Before joining the bootcamps, I was able to approach and transition. After doing the bootcamps, I did not get any further. More than a hundred approaches: no numbers, no dates

Even though they have a refund policy, they will find some reason to not give refund. I did not get any refund for the bootcamps

You can buy better theory online, than anything they give in class. If you work on it with a friend or find a wingman, you can more than make up for infield

I have wasted more than 5 grand in the two LS bootcamps. I feel terrible. If I can stop you, than I will feel at least a little better

It is very frustrating when you are bad with women, but that does not mean you should buy snake oil

I'm a shy guy and attended a lovesystems bootcamp with Braddock to try to boost my success with women. The bootcamps are hyped as providing drastic improvements to anyone who puts in time. While there was some good theory in there and the instructors are very good PUA's, my issue of approach anxiety did not improve despite going out for months after my bootcamp. No amount of material or watching others can help nervousness.

If approach anxiety is your issue I don't think this will help, as it didn't help me. I'm sure this may be good for someone who already can approach women but needs better material, but I don't think it will help you overcome approach anxiety. Be honest about what your issues are before paying Lovesystems, as their marketng is, in my opinion, overly optimistic and unrealistic.

I paid $4,000 for Love Systems bootcamp with Derek Cajun!
Things that were included...

-I Watched Cajun get drunk and go do his own thing not paying attention to me or the students
-I Learned old and outdated PUA material.
-I experienced Cajun ending class sometimes 2 hours early.
-I Learned the best ways to lie to make myself look "high value".
-Overall I maybe learned 5% new material. I was not satisfied at all. I asked Cajun for a refund and he said I did everything to qualify.
-I then emailed Nick Savoy and he basically told me to fuck off. Even though on his website it says ""100% money-back guarantee. If you are not satisfied with the bootcamp, you will get all of your money back, no questions asked.""
-I would not recommend this program to anyone in the world. I am still trying to get my money back from them.

Derek Cajun in my opinion is definitely not the best in the world. Not even close. I think he only does this for the money and doesn't care if the students learn or not. I would value this program at $100 and that's being very generous.