Review Detail
1 of 2 people found the following review helpful
"I’d give this bootcamp a solid A"
Overall rating
10.0
Effectiveness
10.0
Ease of Implementation
10.0
Innovativeness
10.0
Packaging/ Customer Service
10.0
Value for Money
10.0
Reviewed by Foreplay
November 29, 2007
November 29, 2007
Coaching/ Bootcamps Information
Instructor(s) for Coaching:
- Brad P.
- Gabriel (Brad P.)
Date Program Took Place:
October 19, 2007
Here’s the thing about Brad P’s workshop. It’s best for guys who have taken a TMM BC and want to tweak their game. I‘d recommend it to beginner/intermediate-types and to intermediate-types who‘ve been in the Game but haven‘t gotten it down pat. If you’re a newbie to the Game, then his camp isn’t your first option. You have to have a solid understanding of TMM’s Emotional Progression Model. No, I don’t mean that you just read Magic Bullets and the Venusian Arts Handbook, although both are must-reads. That’s not enough. (How many guys have read one or both books and STILL have no idea how to apply those teachings?) Yes, you would be wise to take a TMM BC first. Otherwise, you’ll learn various pieces by Brad P and you won’t know how and where they fit. The majority of what Brad P taught lies in Attraction. His game spikes the shit out of Attraction. Even the openers he teaches build in Attraction.
Here’s what Brad P formally taught me: openers, storytelling, passing shit tests, and routines. Beyond that, he also taught various guys about style, overcoming approach anxiety (AA), and logistics. Technically, there was a section on Day Game, but he didn’t teach it. One of his friends simply supervised while some of us went out and practiced.
Let’s move on to my thoughts about the material. Who better to learn his openers from than the guy who invented them? You could learn from just the Shocker/Instant Attraction ebook, though. I recently took a couple of his openers to field test in Sacramento, and they worked well. One of his openers is killer for consistently opening big groups of women. Another gets smaller sets laughing and builds some attraction fairly consistently. Check your gamey vibe at the door, though. Fortunately, I learned from TMM about cutting threads and Transition. My favorite example of the effectiveness of a Brad P opener occurred during his workshop. I took one of my own openers and used it once only to get shit-tested harder and more relentlessly than I’d ever been shit-tested before. On the next set I used a Brad P opener and ended up in set for two hours. Funny.
For storytelling, Brad P magically transformed a story of mine into something funny that has entertained a few targets. You need to know TMM to learn about DHVs and attraction switches, though, or you won‘t know what kind of story to tell or how to make it put you in the most attractive light. I’m one who doesn’t think every story you tell has to flip a switch, though. We also learned a specific technique to pass shit tests. Let me just say that it was pure gold. I use it all the time now. I even ran into a two-set in Sactown where one was clearly S and the other was clearly M. HB Sadism tried to Alpha me with her words calling me “f----r,“ pulled my attention away physically when I talked to her friend, called me “cocky†and “conceited†several times because she was turned-on, and grabbed my hand constantly to squeeze or twist it as hard as possible. Captain Jack’s advice about reading The Way of the Superior Man was right on, and this woman definitely wanted to feel my masculine strength. I digress. Anyway, I passed her tests so easily with Brad P’s technique. I plowed and became so confident that I began to Alpha this Alpha Female. There’s no boost to your confidence quite like out-Alphaing a sadist.
Brad P had a number or routines that have helped me fill the conversation gaps in-set. His co-instructor, Gabriel, personally chose a few for each student. I did learn a few valuable tips about logistics. I’m still rather new to the Game, but those tips were very helpful as I have begun to screen early in my game the logistics for SNLs. Also, Brad P hooked us up and I learned some very valuable things about improving my style. No doubt my Attraction game improved off of that alone, and I’d already taken a TMM BC which offers style advice, too. On another note, I should mention that there was a third optional day for the workshop about overcoming AA, achieving your goals in life, and more. But I decided to save my cash and received the Cliff’s Notes on how to be a true PUA, instead.
I could stop there and write that I’d give this bootcamp a solid A-, but I’m not sure that would be totally candid. There’s more. We students came from various camps, and there were only eight of us. Some came from RSD, one came from Badboy Lifestyles, and some came from TMM. The RSD and Badboy guys were not too happy with the workshop. They hadn’t taken a TMM BC, and most didn’t know or only had fair reading knowledge of the Model. They were expecting a whole lot more bang for their buck. Personally, I thought I got a square deal. My reasoning is this: I paid one-third the cost of a TMM BC to attend this workshop, and the classroom time was one-third of the TMM classroom time. That’s fair. As far as the content, I thought the value was high. I got a lot out of Brad P, including c.d.s, ebooks, classroom instruction, in-field instruction, and personal analysis. He gave a lot of value for the price, and let’s not forget that he’s considered one of the best PUAs out there (at least, according to one of Thundercat’s lists and judging how he was the featured guest speaker at my TMM BC).
Honestly, we three TMM guys were the ones who thought the workshop rocked. That might be because we knew exactly where to insert Brad P’s teachings into the Model. One guy who I thought struggled at my TMM BC and who I felt might not make it turned into a rockstar in-field after Brad P got through with him. He went from quiet, milquetoast to outgoing PUA-in-training. Brad P/Dr. Frankenstein turned this guy into John Mayer. Mayer was getting as many number closes that night as me. That impressed me so much considering that I was one of the best to come out of the TMM BC while he was maybe one of the worst. All the respect in the world to Mayer after Brad P turned him out. The Brad P workshop was just what the doctor ordered for him.
Miscellaneous Debris
-With Brad P’s help, I almost had my first pull just a month after my first BC. It was a double-edged sword because I had to ditch the girl who was ready to go to the “afterparty†with me for a final analysis with Brad P after the club closed. So the afterparty and logistics were hopelessly lost. It’s okay--her face may have been an 8 but her body was a 5. It’s the practice in pulling that I regret missing.
-One of the amazing things that I saw Brad P do was approach a huge MIXED group SEATED at a SMALL BAR and win over the table. Most guys I see post fear the words “mixed,†“seated,†and “small.†So Brad P showed balls of steel on that one. He’s got game.
-Instructors were Brad P and Gabriel. Brad P was as solid as when I first saw him at my TMM BC. What I appreciated was how much time he spent with us in-field rather than chasing tail for his own purposes. That separated him from instructors who would often game more than coach with TMM, although I understand that TMM has changed that dynamic. To his credit, he could’ve pulled a virgin but decided against it last-second. Brad P was also very friendly and social and had a great sense of humor. In other words, he was down-to-earth and not elitist. Gabriel was the same way but even more so. You’d have to see him and talk to him to know just what I mean. Great style, both of them. Both of those guys were also cool people beyond the Game. Real human, you know? I actually felt sometimes like I was just hanging out and having a good time with them. Man, those guys were fun to be around! Ron (a rockstar) was also a blast to go out with, and if he were a pro the workshop would’ve been perfect for me.
Here’s what Brad P formally taught me: openers, storytelling, passing shit tests, and routines. Beyond that, he also taught various guys about style, overcoming approach anxiety (AA), and logistics. Technically, there was a section on Day Game, but he didn’t teach it. One of his friends simply supervised while some of us went out and practiced.
Let’s move on to my thoughts about the material. Who better to learn his openers from than the guy who invented them? You could learn from just the Shocker/Instant Attraction ebook, though. I recently took a couple of his openers to field test in Sacramento, and they worked well. One of his openers is killer for consistently opening big groups of women. Another gets smaller sets laughing and builds some attraction fairly consistently. Check your gamey vibe at the door, though. Fortunately, I learned from TMM about cutting threads and Transition. My favorite example of the effectiveness of a Brad P opener occurred during his workshop. I took one of my own openers and used it once only to get shit-tested harder and more relentlessly than I’d ever been shit-tested before. On the next set I used a Brad P opener and ended up in set for two hours. Funny.
For storytelling, Brad P magically transformed a story of mine into something funny that has entertained a few targets. You need to know TMM to learn about DHVs and attraction switches, though, or you won‘t know what kind of story to tell or how to make it put you in the most attractive light. I’m one who doesn’t think every story you tell has to flip a switch, though. We also learned a specific technique to pass shit tests. Let me just say that it was pure gold. I use it all the time now. I even ran into a two-set in Sactown where one was clearly S and the other was clearly M. HB Sadism tried to Alpha me with her words calling me “f----r,“ pulled my attention away physically when I talked to her friend, called me “cocky†and “conceited†several times because she was turned-on, and grabbed my hand constantly to squeeze or twist it as hard as possible. Captain Jack’s advice about reading The Way of the Superior Man was right on, and this woman definitely wanted to feel my masculine strength. I digress. Anyway, I passed her tests so easily with Brad P’s technique. I plowed and became so confident that I began to Alpha this Alpha Female. There’s no boost to your confidence quite like out-Alphaing a sadist.
Brad P had a number or routines that have helped me fill the conversation gaps in-set. His co-instructor, Gabriel, personally chose a few for each student. I did learn a few valuable tips about logistics. I’m still rather new to the Game, but those tips were very helpful as I have begun to screen early in my game the logistics for SNLs. Also, Brad P hooked us up and I learned some very valuable things about improving my style. No doubt my Attraction game improved off of that alone, and I’d already taken a TMM BC which offers style advice, too. On another note, I should mention that there was a third optional day for the workshop about overcoming AA, achieving your goals in life, and more. But I decided to save my cash and received the Cliff’s Notes on how to be a true PUA, instead.
I could stop there and write that I’d give this bootcamp a solid A-, but I’m not sure that would be totally candid. There’s more. We students came from various camps, and there were only eight of us. Some came from RSD, one came from Badboy Lifestyles, and some came from TMM. The RSD and Badboy guys were not too happy with the workshop. They hadn’t taken a TMM BC, and most didn’t know or only had fair reading knowledge of the Model. They were expecting a whole lot more bang for their buck. Personally, I thought I got a square deal. My reasoning is this: I paid one-third the cost of a TMM BC to attend this workshop, and the classroom time was one-third of the TMM classroom time. That’s fair. As far as the content, I thought the value was high. I got a lot out of Brad P, including c.d.s, ebooks, classroom instruction, in-field instruction, and personal analysis. He gave a lot of value for the price, and let’s not forget that he’s considered one of the best PUAs out there (at least, according to one of Thundercat’s lists and judging how he was the featured guest speaker at my TMM BC).
Honestly, we three TMM guys were the ones who thought the workshop rocked. That might be because we knew exactly where to insert Brad P’s teachings into the Model. One guy who I thought struggled at my TMM BC and who I felt might not make it turned into a rockstar in-field after Brad P got through with him. He went from quiet, milquetoast to outgoing PUA-in-training. Brad P/Dr. Frankenstein turned this guy into John Mayer. Mayer was getting as many number closes that night as me. That impressed me so much considering that I was one of the best to come out of the TMM BC while he was maybe one of the worst. All the respect in the world to Mayer after Brad P turned him out. The Brad P workshop was just what the doctor ordered for him.
Miscellaneous Debris
-With Brad P’s help, I almost had my first pull just a month after my first BC. It was a double-edged sword because I had to ditch the girl who was ready to go to the “afterparty†with me for a final analysis with Brad P after the club closed. So the afterparty and logistics were hopelessly lost. It’s okay--her face may have been an 8 but her body was a 5. It’s the practice in pulling that I regret missing.
-One of the amazing things that I saw Brad P do was approach a huge MIXED group SEATED at a SMALL BAR and win over the table. Most guys I see post fear the words “mixed,†“seated,†and “small.†So Brad P showed balls of steel on that one. He’s got game.
-Instructors were Brad P and Gabriel. Brad P was as solid as when I first saw him at my TMM BC. What I appreciated was how much time he spent with us in-field rather than chasing tail for his own purposes. That separated him from instructors who would often game more than coach with TMM, although I understand that TMM has changed that dynamic. To his credit, he could’ve pulled a virgin but decided against it last-second. Brad P was also very friendly and social and had a great sense of humor. In other words, he was down-to-earth and not elitist. Gabriel was the same way but even more so. You’d have to see him and talk to him to know just what I mean. Great style, both of them. Both of those guys were also cool people beyond the Game. Real human, you know? I actually felt sometimes like I was just hanging out and having a good time with them. Man, those guys were fun to be around! Ron (a rockstar) was also a blast to go out with, and if he were a pro the workshop would’ve been perfect for me.
Originally posted on the Attraction Forums. Reproduced with permission.
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