Ep. #53 Using Soundbites to Talk to and Attract Women with Mehow

[Mehow]: Thanks for having me.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah, it's great. So, last time we had you, we didn't really go much into your background. We just kind of talked about some of the content and talked about getting girlfriends and stuff at that time. So, I'd like to go into your background this time so the guys get to know a bit more about who you are and what you do and what you focus on. The first thing is: how did you get into this dating stuff? What is your background? Where did you come from and how did you get into this?

[Mehow]: I was a hacker for the government, basically. I worked on federal projects via private consulting firm. I was a dot com Chief Technology Officer, too, during that period. Basically, I sort of worked in the open source intel. I worked with open source intelligence community for a little bit. I was also a trainer for Microsoft. I was very good at the computer thing. I had past seventy-five certifications and I was both a system admin and a hacker and a software developer, all in one person. Still, that was easy plus-plus, assembly, and all that stuff, cartography. So, I was doing alright as a computer guy -- actually, I was doing more than alright. I was making lots of money and then I got married to the hottest girl I ever dated but she was basically like the fifth girl I had dated.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah.

[Mehow]: And she was the hottest out of five and I liked her; we liked each other and it worked out for a bit. But, really, I just didn't know what I was doing at all with her. So, I lost her. She actually ended up, ironically, she went out with a military guy.

[Angel Donovan]: Wow, that must have sucked.

[Mehow]: Yeah, it sucked. So, we got divorced and, basically, the final straw was when she wasn't coming home. So, I went over to a friend's house and the friend was the military dude and she was just hanging out there at 2am, saying they were just friends. Right! So, that ended. And then I moved to San Diego, got some new jobs; I just changed everything up. I lived on the beach, had a nice house, nice car. Everything was ideal and I was thirty-one at the time.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah.

[Mehow]: Everything seemed like it should be awesome because I had the perfect dude resume but I couldn't get a date for two years. So, that's when I finally gave up and I was like, "Okay, I need help with this." And, at that time, pretty much the only source of help was really Mystery so I found -- or I took a Bootcamp from Mystery. It was interesting because this was a Bootcamp where the instructors were Love Drop Mystery, Neil Strauss --

[Angel Donovan]: Wow, big names. What year was that?

[Mehow]: That was 2005.

[Angel Donovan]: Okay, wow, well, right in the middle of it then. Yeah.

[Mehow]: It was even before The Game came out.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah.

[Mehow]: So, it was about eight months, I think, before The Game came out. And, I remember reading it after I took my Bootcamp, like six months into the community. And it was interesting because all those people went on to become legends in their own right. I mean, obviously, Mystery and then Neil started his own company and split up with Mystery and Love Drop went off to work with Mystery. It was just -- anyway, so I did the Mystery method and I just got infield a lot and I was opening constantly because, basically, I'm a very systematic person so if I have a system, even if it didn't quite work for me, I went and did it. And, basically, within six months, I had replaced what Mystery had taught me in attraction with what I taught me in attraction, which was a lot of body temperature game and --

[Angel Donovan]: And, so, just for the guys, what would body temperature game be?

[Mehow]: So, BT game is when you're stimulating her emotions, right? So, really common community opener that does that, "You know what's amazing? I almost wore that exact same dress tonight!" And then she'll laugh and then you can play off there but it -- sorry, man, I'm tired. We just got done with two weeks of bootcamps and I've been up til 6am.

[Angel Donovan]: Ouch.

[Mehow]: We pulled four nights in a row, consecutively, every night there were different girls there. So, it was really brutal.

[Angel Donovan]: So, we're getting a little bit of an idea of your lifestyle.

[Mehow]: Yeah.

[Angel Donovan]: So, what is your lifestyle like today? You know, how is your dating lifestyle? So, I take it you're not married again. You decided to remain single. What is your current choice of lifestyle right now and how do you find it?

[Mehow]: I still believe in the relationship so I date to find the one. Although, ostensibly, I'll have a relationship for six months and then I'll want to get back into searching because I'll get bored and to me it's interesting because I don't know if I'm going to be in a long-term relationship again, because it's just like when you have your choice of constantly going out with somebody and you realize -- I mean, I'm almost forty-two now but a student we had a week ago was fifty-five and he was crushing, right? And a student we had this week was thirty-five and he was crushing.

[Angel Donovan]: It sounds like you've met some nice girls since and you've had six-month relationships with them but they're not kind of interesting enough to you or the relationship isn't interesting enough or more important enough to you to not go out and see some more variety again. How would you put it in your words?

[Mehow]: Well, how I'd put it in my words is that once you have infinite choice, your dating system basically changes over time and you start questioning traditional things you used to believe, which is, traditionally I used to believe that, "Okay, I want to get married and I want to be with one person forever." And there's still a big huge part of me that feels that way but, at the same time, I have to admit that the last time that I had a really, long -- more than a year-long relationship -- was sort of in the middle of my game training, about four years ago. So, in four years, I haven't had a long relationship -- anything past six months. So, the things I have to admit is that the data seems to indicate that I am very torn about which way to go. Am I really torn or am I just going towards a more natural path? Because a lot of people think that from an evolutionary point of view, men were designed to be with different partners and even women were designed to be with different partners. I generally don't judge; I just love teaching. I love going out. I love making things happen for guys and let them decide -- because to each his own. For me personally, I am still figuring out which way I want to go. There is also -- as you get older, this age pressue because as you get older, sarging gets harder and harder -- well, sarging young women gets harder and harder. If you want --

[Angel Donovan]: So, you're talking about twenty, twenty-five-year-old women or --?

[Mehow]: Yeah, I mean there's only one woman I've been out with in the last year that was over thirty.

[Angel Donovan]: Okay.

[Mehow]: Everyone else was under thirty. My lifestyle is pretty cool here. We have a really big house where we coach out of and we live in LA and there's plenty of awesome venues to go out to and generally out social circle is pretty cool and I've got some really good wings. So, but even with that, I'm the oldest guy in my crew. Actually, wait, that's not true. We have one guy who is seven years older. So, I'm the second-oldest guy in the crew. But I've noticed that as I age, I have to take better care of myself; I have to have better game.

[Angel Donovan]: This is an interesting point. Do you see an end to this -- at forty-five or fifty? Do you think you're going to naturally progress or change your objectives and what you're doing?

[Mehow]: Well, what's interesting is that I keep having older students. Basically, they're happier at fifty-five being single and dating and sarging than they were married because they got divorced. And they're generally hot guys who want girlfriend girlfriends. They don't generally end up in that. They even say that they want that but then after we track them for six months, they like dating multiple people.

[Angel Donovan]: Do you think also that that's because they haven't done something like that before? Because both you and me have done that for a long time. So, I did it for over ten years. I've gone more the exclusive route recently because I got tired of that but I went through that phase for a while. So, I saw it as something that I had to do and get out of my system and I know some other guys have gone that way, too. But I know a lot of guys who have gone your way, too, which is kind of like, "I kind of like being out here" -- it's like a polyamory type thing, poly slant to it.

[Mehow]: Right, there's definitely a poly slant to it. That's where everbody goes and, interestingly, there's three other guys that I know in the community -- and I won't mention any names -- but they're all sort of big and then I have one wing that's also in the same set-up, where they basically -- and this seems very ideal actually -- but it's extremely difficult to get. They basically have where they've attracted the women that are actually very bisexual. They want the occasional threesome or they want the occasional girl; they're aggresively bisexual. They like women and they like men and then they have basically a permanent relationship with them, but they're allowed to sleep with other people and they frequently sleep with other women with that woman -- with their LTR. That's a really interesting twist but I'll have to say that, in all these cases, when they've found a girl like this, they immediately kept her, because it's like -- in that scenario, you're looking for a needle in the haystack. You can be a ninja pick-up guy but women like that who genuinely don't get all upset when you're sarging other women are just one in a million. I don't even know what the odds are but they're extremely --

[Angel Donovan]: There are certain communities -- like the stripper community and the polyamory community and a few things like that, and I guess porn stars, as well -- these are the communities where they kind of group together and they would be easier to find. But, in general, they are very few and far between.

[Mehow]: But porn stars are hard to get because they are generally really hot. It's not like you can just show up at the porn star store and be like, "Okay, I'll take all the hot, bisexual porn stars!"

[Angel Donovan]: Every porn star has to date someone, right?

[Mehow]: Well, they do, but I mean, again, you're talking about a reduced population. I guess it's an interesting --

[Angel Donovan]: Well, I'm just saying, it's like a niche, that's a very niche thing. It's like 0.5% or whatever.

[Mehow]: It's an extremely niche thing and in a lot of areas, it doesn't exist. It exists in Vegas and LA in America and that's kind of it. You don't go to other places and there's like loads of hot strippers and loads of hot porn stars. It's Vegas and LA that that happens in. You're right because I was going to mention the same thing. I really don't have a lot of experience dating in those scenarios so it's very -- you do get more flexibility in those worlds. You generally encounter people who are more flexible with their -- women are more flexible with what it is that they want; or, I would even say, more honestly what it is they want, because --

[Angel Donovan]: Right, they're very direct. In the polyamory community, they're very straightforward about what they want.

[Mehow]: And the really cool thing is that they're basically in touch with the truth. There was actually a TED Talk on polyamory. There was a psychologist that got to TED to talk about polyamory and the stuff he cited was like, "Look, we're biologically designed to be polyamorous to some degree" and some people want to be in a monogamous relationship but, generally, it appears that goes against our nature. Our nature is that we stick together to raise the kids and that we only live to forty, once the kids are twenty, basically, and after forty, evolution wasn't designed to even keep us around until one hundred, two hundred years ago. So, it's interesting because now we're still going to eighty. We're going super long; we going twice as long as we were supposed to. That presents us lots of interesting situations, because now people have multiple sexual life cycles, like they can have kids, they can do the whole marriage thing, and then they can get out of that and be really happy basically being polyamorous. I am seeing that pattern -- I wish I could say the PC thing and be like, "Yeah, everybody wants a relationship."

[Mehow]: Here's the truth: the truth is guys who are first getting into this typically play around for two or three months and then they get into a relationship and they'll have one relationship, or one long one, and then once they get out of that, then they'll go back to polyamory. In terms of me coaching women, the women I've coached are extremely polyamorous-oriented. Women -- they'll usually tow the PC line of "I want a boyfriend" but when you actually get into their behavior, they don't really want a boyfriend a lot of the time. I'd say it's a majority -- particularly young, attractive women. They want to explore; they want to find something really cool and if they find something really cool, they might want to latch onto that but, generally, there is no fixed plan in her head that she's going to believe. She's not going to tell herself, just like I'm not going to tell myself, "This is what I want" because it varies with each individual interaction.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah. I think that the girls I've met that are getting to their thirties or are already in their thirties tend to have a more rigid idea of what they want by then.

[Mehow]: It depends on -- yeah, if they're older, they have a more rigid idea because they've explored and also it depends if they've had kids or not yet.

[Angel Donovan]: Right, because the biological clock ticking and also I think a lot of them have kind of seen like -- "I've done that." That's what a lot of them say, "I've done that and it was fun for a while but now I want to get a bit more serious." And I guess it's a combination of the biological clock but also there's other aspects of society to think about, like status, where marriage is kind of a big thing in most countries still and there's even this pressure from all sorts of areas of society, like your parents, your family, your friends, and so on. When I was in San Diego, I was talking to girls and some of them were around twenty-eight, thirty, and a lot of the time, there were feeling this pressure because all of their friends had got married and had babies and so on.

[Mehow]: And some women are like -- we're increasingly seeing women that just want to have non-traditional ways of having kids. They want basically high-quality genetics and then they may or may not want to actually have a committed relationship with the guy. So, it's definitely something that's in flux and that's slowly coming out because the intellectual, the scientific community understands the potential truth. And it's not to say that you have to be polyamorous or you have to be monogamous. It's to say that there's now a range of palettes available to you and you shouldn't be judged if you're not monogamous.

[Angel Donovan]: Right, and it's something you should explore to find out which one is going to fit with you and then you have to also get to pick the girl is going to be happy in that situation, kind of lean how to select girls which are going to be comfortable in whatever situation you've decided to put yourself in.

[Mehow]: Yeah, exactly.

[Angel Donovan]: Well, cool, we've covered the flux. I agree, by the way, because it's all in flux and it's going to be interesting to see what happens in thirty, forty years.

[Mehow]: Yeah, when it's normal to just be poly, when it's no longer a weird thing and I don't know I might get married a year from now; I really don't know. I'm not a proponent of one or the other. I'm just saying that --

[Angel Donovan]: Because there's a lot of guys who've said before in our community that they weren't going to get married again and they got married again when some girl came along they decided --

[Mehow]: Yeah, like Neil Strauss got married; then again, Mystery, not married, has two kids. Love Drop is married now. So, it's interesting because it does go all sorts of different ways. People tend to be active PUA's, though. The guys that I know that I know that are married aren't active PUA's anymore really. I mean, Neil basically retired out of Pick-Up. He had a funeral for Style at Hollywood Forever. It was actually a really cool idea on his part. It was super creative. He had this jacket and the gravestone. It was awesome.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah, I saw the photos of that. It was very cool.

[Angel Donovan]: So, back to kind of the question that started all of this . . .

[Mehow]: Yeah, so I was practicing Mystery Method and I got into the buying temperature game, so buying temperature game is stimulating emotions, basically, instead of you trying to do any sort of what would be called typically DHV Spiking in the attraction phase, I'm just stimulating emotions and then once I have her hooked on like, "Oh, this guy is fun," then after that, we start to get into who I am and start to create deeper attraction. We call that mid-game and my entire system is 3-Second Attraction, which used to be called 10-Second Attraction. To answer the buying temperature question, you're going in and you're using soundbites to stimulate her and get interaction and then, when you do attraction the way we do it, as we use what's called soundbites stacking or pure keynote routines, which use soundbite stacking through keynotes which are basically kinestetic routines and everything I say is designed to get a response from her and the response and the attraction is so predictable that you can basically create a stack of them and you can basically do the same thing over and over and over again and it seems to her like it's totally natural. One really simple pure routine that we use all the time is I'll use a verbal routine to stimulate her a little bit and then she's laughing or smiling at me and I'll say, "You know what's awesome?" And she'll be like, "What?" "Me." She'll laugh and I'll grab her hand and then I'll put it on my chest and I'll be like, "Do you feel the awesomeness right now?" And she'll be like, "Yeah, yeah, yeah, I do." And I'm like "Cool, that's all you get." And then push her hand off.

[Angel Donovan]: So, if you broke that down, coming back to the name of your system now, which is 3-Seconds, all of the things you just said were very, very short.

[Mehow]: So, originally, we invinted 10-Second Attraction approximately five, six years ago.

[Angel Donovan]: I believe it was 2008 so that would be six years . . .

[Mehow]: So, six years ago, we came out with 10-Second Attraction and --

[Angel Donovan]: Was that the first time you brought out your whole system, your way of doing things?

[Mehow]: Yeah, what happened was my attraction system came out in 2007 so that's the Get The Girl Manual which basically describes a lot of the pure keynote stuff I was just talking about and that was our attraction system. But, at the time, we would do attraction and then we would get into mid-game, which was community stuff -- basically, Mystery's stuff and the thing with Mystery's stuff, there's a lot of storytelling and unless you were absolutely amazing at storytelling, which almost no one is -- if you can just weave a yarn and just talk and talk and talk and women will just listen forever, which is an extremely difficult skill set to have, particularly in a loud club, particularly in day game -- you just don't have the time. So, what happened -- and I'll be totally honest with you -- what happened is, for me, I did pure Mystery Method and got no results so then I started doing Attraction, where I would basically switch up their attraction to high buying temperature in the game and then I started getting laid very slowly. It took me eight months to get my first lay and the reason was I would get all this attraction, girls would be in to me, and I would go into mid-game, and they would get bored. So, what I would do is I became attraction ninja because every time I wanted to get a phone number or a date, I would go in a club and I would just charge twenty sets.

[Angel Donovan]: Right. Would you say that this was something to do with you, like you had to focus more on that than --

[Mehow]: No, I think it's a universal pattern.

[Angel Donovan]: Okay.

[Mehow]: For everybody -- that's why our stuff is fairly revolutionary and, basically, I'll see that a lot of people imitate us now because the way I figured this out is I just put a bunch of PUAs on videotape and I put a bunch of wings on videotapes and I put me on videotape and I noticed the patterns. All the guys who had natural game that couldn't explain what they were doing or why it was working -- they got laid a lot -- did not tell DHV stories. That was the first clue. They never said any DHV story at all. The only guy that was doing it was Mystery and people in Mystery's crew and me at the time. So, nobody was doing this. We were like, "Okay, what are these other guys doing?" And that's where I sort of synthesized it and it was really like a "Eureka!" moment. I was talking to this natural and he was basically explaining to me how he thinks he gets laid and he couldn't explain it but I got enough and I was like -- and I had had five or six of these conversations and I kept seeing the same pattern over and over -- and I just got it and in a second, I figured out the model.

[Angel Donovan]: So, what was the model? Was it that the ten seconds --

[Mehow]: Well, okay, so the model is that you use soundbites all the time instead of talking in a traditional way, like we're talking now where I'm sort of going and going and going and then you go and it's sort of a normal conversation --

[Angel Donovan]: It's like tag at the moment.

[Mehow]: It's 100% tag. Even if I tell a story, like a DHV-style story, it's still on soundbites. So, I can give you an example. A lot of times I'll as a girl, "What were you like in middle school?" And she'll be like, "I was blah, blah, blah." "Alright, do you want to know what I was like in middle school?" And she'll be like, "Yeah, totally!" "So, I was the biggest nerd ever." And she'll be like, "What? Oh, I totally don't believe that! You don't seem nerdy at all!" "No, I was king of the nerds because I got the best grades." "Oh my god, really?" "Yeah, and there was this little who would buy me lunches and I would buy her lunches." "Oh, wow, that was, like, love." "Yeah, but I didn't know because it was seventh grade. Until one day . . ." "What happened?" "On the playground, this big bully kid pushed by girl." "Oh, my god!" "And that's when my nerd soul went completely beserk." "Did you fight that kid?" "Yeah, I beat him but then I got suspended for an entire week." "Oh, no." "But when I came back I had mad respect in the hallway." "Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha!" "And that's how I got my first kiss."

[Mehow]: But notice how I tell the story: every time I say something, I get a reaction. So, I literally design everything that used to be -- and there's some classic DHV's in there -- there's a protector of loved ones, there is the first loves, it sort of sets up the frame that I'm a romantically-inclined person, and there's also a lot of emotional stimulation because I'm constantly open looking. So, every single piece of information I give her gives her a little bit of a clue as to what's coming next but mostly builds anticipation. Now she wants to know more. So, I'll say stuff like, "And then we got in a fight." Well, now you want to know happened. "And I was the biggest nerd." "Oh, really? How were you the biggest nerd?" "And there was a little girl who would buy me lunches and I would buy her lunches." "So, how did that end?" See? I'm constantly, wherever I'm at in the story, there's an open lead until I get to the very end and the way it ends is: "And then she suddenly moved away and I never said good-bye so I probably shouldn't be talking to you because I'm still going out with Debbie from middle school."

[Angel Donovan]: So, basically, it's interesting that every single soundbite has something interesting about it.

[Mehow]: Right, so when we first discovered this, we were like, "Okay, everything's got to be a soundbite." But, at the time, in 2008, telling everybody to ditch their DHV stories when that's what everybody was doing non-stop -- I mean, there was an entire nationally-published New York Times bestseller going: "This is the method!" --

[Angel Donovan]: It's true. There was about three years there where it was really heavy.

[Mehow]: Yeah, it was: this is the method. So, imagine if I went around and said, "Okay, guys. Everybody can only talk for no more than three seconds." People were like, "What?! That's crazy! That's crazy talk!" So, I knew at the time that everything was three second soundbites and if you read the 10-Second Attraction book, you realized everything was a three second soundbite. I actually measured how long I talk on average and it's basically 2.3 seconds.

[Angel Donovan]: Right, because ten seconds is actually quite long.

[Mehow]: Right.

[Angel Donovan]: It doesn't sound like long but if you actually count one . . . two . . . three . . . it's a long piece of conversation.

[Mehow]: So what we did, we were like, "Okay, no one is allowed to talk for more than ten seconds. You should usually talk for three." And we didn't title it 3-Second Attraction; we made that switch a year ago when we came out with the 2.0 version, where we started -- now it's called 3-Second Attraction and that's how it was born. But, basically, the reason it was called 10-Second Attraction was political because back in 2008, there was no crazy internet marketing, there was only a few companies. It was basically a tight-knit community of guys and that's who we sold to. That's who was interested in the information. So, it didn't occur to me that I should just go ahead and call it what it really was. I sort of made an intermediate title to accomodate -- a compromise between people's exitsing perceptions and the reality.

[Angel Donovan]: Okay, really the heart of it, rather than talking about three seconds or ten seconds, is the fact that you broke a long piece of conversation, which was storytelling or whatever -- which, I guess where you're coming from is that there are parts of that conversation where there are lulls and it's not as interesting -- and you're kind of trying to eliminate those.

[Mehow]: Yeah, but the thing that's really key is that you can't have a million soundbited stories because that doesn't work, either. I have two or three and they're in my repetroire and the rest of the time I'm just improvising. The really clutch thing in the system is that it lets you do this for hours and hours on end. I can talk in three second sounbites with girls for ten hours at a time and I don't have to repeat myself very often. If you look at my infield footage, you'll see maybe 10% of what I'm saying, 15% of what I'm saying is stuff that is clearly stuff I've said to other women, or is stuff that's just from book. The cool thing is that she can't tell the difference between the 15% and the other 85% because, to her, it all seems like it's the same thing, because it is the same thing. She can't tell which part I'm improvising, which part is pre-canned, becase -- and here's the clutch part of it -- the clutch part of it is that we're teaching the improv in a way that gets guys to only use a canned bit when it fits perfectly. So, it basically completely sells, too. And it works awesome online and it works day game, night game, online game, social circle -- it's everything, basically.

[Angel Donovan]: It's a pretty simple principle, when it comes down to it.

[Mehow]: Yeah, well, then there is -- that part of it is cool and a lot of guys are like, "Yeah! All I've got to do is now start talking in three second soundbites." But you also have to stimulate her in different ways. So, you have to have attraction; you have to sexuality; you have to have some edge, some darkness to you. You have to throw in some lifestyle, some comfort -- all that stuff. She has to know who you are. You basically have a formula that allows people to blend what I call the nine critical elements into this improvisational model where you almost never talk for more than three seconds.

[Angel Donovan]: Alright, because when I looked at your system, what struck me is that you've gone into a lot of detail about this part of conversation, what you call elements -- you call them conversational elements or soundbites.

[Mehow]: Nine elements, yeah. Basically, the elements are soundbites and I list all these different techniques for implementing the soundbites.

[Angel Donovan]: So what struck me is you've gone into a lot of detail to describe: this is one type of conversation piece and -- because you broke it into these soundbites -- I felt that it's pretty practical in that way, because I don't think there's really anything else I've seen that described a piece of conversation as well as that. Because when it comes down to it, I think guys first getting into this haven't really thought about how they're talking, how they're conversing, and they really don't understand that there are some bits of their conversation that are different than others; but you have given this very detailed explanation of this. Where did this come from? Is it from a lot of practice over time? Is some of it more recent or does it come from 2007-2008 era?

[Mehow]: The 2.0 stuff just comes from a lot of infield experience. I mean, we added a ninth element which is being nice because people still have a bunch of niceness to them but when you strictly implemented the original eight elements, there's some of you who could be too much of an asshole. So, we had to add a ninth element and we had a ton more soundbites just to give people a better idea of how everything works, so we gave them more examples because more examples just basically gets your brain to intuitively master this stuff. So, when I'm coaching an infield live what I have guys do is memorize three soundbites every night that are new and then I make sure that they use those and by the next night, those three are already in their unconscious and then we have three more. And then I give three other elements to work on their game by pushing it out. "Okay, this set you're going to really move the girl. You didn't move her properly last time. You've got to grab by the wrist and lead. Watch."

[Angel Donovan]: So, example. If you were teaching a guy this, would you get him to talk about something and then break down what he's been saying and start eliminating parts of it and saying, "Keep this. This is an X conversation element. This is an X conversational element." How would you coach someone?

[Mehow]: There's a simpler way to do it. What we do is we drill. So, for example, I'll pretend I'm the girl and I'll give them typical girl responses and then I have them put in soundbites but we make sure that everybody puts their own personality in it. If they're a highly edgy person, then we emphasize that side of it and we make sure they don't miss any of the other magic pieces of the formula. And we also go through and take their stories, their like stories, and we pre-can into what we call "episodic storytelling," which is the example I gave you. Episodic storytelling is basically you're telling a story in episodes and each episode is a soundbite and the whole point of every episode is just like on TV, at the end, you want a big cliffhanger. It's just like a microcosm because you want the audience to be hooked so they have to pay attention during the commercial break.

[Angel Donovan]: It's inetesting that you say that because when you look at the TV now, when I look at the TV and I look at the intro's to any current series today, you see exactly what they're doing with the TV because with the videos, they're really good at it. They give you these cliffhangers right before it starts so you've got to hang on in there and watch and it's like mini-cliffhangers all the way through. Is this what you're thinking about when you're doing this in a conversation?

[Mehow]: Yeah, but you have to have unconscious mastery of it. So, you do it through drills and you do it through a lot of practice because trying to think about that while you're talking is just going to make you all weird. It's going to make the girl understand that you're trying really hard to find the next conversation element and the second she detects that you're thinking a lot about the conversation, it becomes try hard. And that's why some pre-canned soundbites make this seem effortless because even if you go flat for a little bit but then you have one really interesting thing to say to her, like she says, "I like you. You're funny." And you say, "Should I take my shirt off now or later?" Then, now you've got a little spike and that's a canned spike but now you've got more juice, so to speak, to keep going with her. The awesome thing about this is really what happens when people use it. It only take -- if you're doing it right -- it only takes a week to get really good at the system. If you're a game who doesn't have any disqualifiers, if you're basically a normal-looking dude with a normal job, normal life, normal house, normal car, no weird situation, you've got hair, you're in okay shape, every time I've taught a normal dude this stuff, within four days, they've got twenty numbers in their phone and they just can't believe it. They're like, "Woah, this is just amazing." If you're a guy whose disqualified and you need to work on your dress, your style, your body language, then that we also do in four days and we live train, but it's a little more involved.

[Angel Donovan]: So, you're saying that guys have to work on their life, as well, because they will disqualified by certain attributes?

[Mehow]: So, disqualifiers in pick-up are things she's not going to like about you, and, typically, guys know what that is. It's age, baldness, being too thin, being too fat, being totally broke. These are things that everybody wants to overcome with game and what's interesting is that most of the internet marketing right now is "Use these three words and now she'll be all into you even though she's not actually attracted!" There's a lot of that and the truth is that it's just not true. Come on!

[Angel Donovan]: The truth is: it's just not true.

[Mehow]: You've got to have attraction. She's got to like you. So what happens is a lot of guys will think it's their disqualifiers that are messing them up, like it's their weight or their hair or something, but these things aren't helping, but it's not what's messing them up. The biggest reason for people failing in pick up when they're not getting coached live, is they don't know why the girl stopped talking to them and they think it's because of what they look like and that the system didn't work for them; but every single time I've ever had a guy like that, it's because he's slightly slouching and he just doesn't know.

[Angel Donovan]: Slightly slouching? Body language, you say.

[Mehow]: Body language. Or he's got a little lisp or he's got a little tweach with his eye.

[Angel Donovan]: So, you're saying it's one of those disqualifiers you were talking about.

[Mehow]: Well, so those disqualifiers are -- we would call those "body language tweaks" but generally fixing that and getting your verbal straight, which is what 3-Second Attraction does, and we also talk a lot about body language in 3-Second Attraction, but the problem is guys cannot fix their own body language unless somebody is watching them or they're rehearsing in front of a mirror. You just don't know what's really going on until you get in field and you're talking to a girl, which is why we videotape -- when we coach live, we videotape every single guy with a hidden camera, because that instantly shows them what they're doing and then they're like, "Oh my god, it wasn't all the stuff I thought it was! It wasn't the verbals. My verbals are tight. It was that one little thing I was doing that was screwing me up." And then, once they get through that, it's teaching them tactics. It's like, "Okay, if another girl comes over or if she starts to lose buying temperature, what do you do? Or she starts to act bitchy, what do you do? Or she wants to look for her friend in the bar, what do you do?" One exercise I have guys do when I coach live is I'm like, "Okay, so we have them talking to some seven's, you start to have twenty minute stats and the sevens start to walk away because they have to find their friends. The next set, what I want you to do, is not let go of the set. Your job is to make sure" -- and I teach them all the logistical, tactical things you say to make it smooth so that effictively you're together for an hour and she doesn't feel weird. And, then all of sudden, the set's solid. I'm like, "Okay, you did that with a bunch of sevens three or four times. Now, let's move to eights or nines. Same thing -- only way harder." And in day game, that gets even harder because day game is just definitely doing other stuff so you have to basically -- you have to know what's about to happen and stay ahead of it, logistically.

[Mehow]: And then once they get the logistics down, then they start having hour-long sets then it's time to pull, then it's time to get her out on a date, too, etcetera, etcetera. So, it's a process and if I had to name the top steps of the process, it's first you've got to get your verbals down; second of all, you've got to eliminate all the things which are screwing you up and try to ameliorate your disqualifiers as much as possible -- the one way we do that all the time is with dress. We get guys dressed right because that's the one thing you can fix overnight. It doesn't matter who you are or where you come from, fixing your fashion, you can literally do it by one trip to the store, if you know what to get. We actually do that on every live training we do, too. We just take a trip to the store. That in itself -- just fixing body language, having tight verbals and attraction with attraction stacking, and getting fashion will get a guy that used to never be able to hook somebody whose a stranger to somebody who hooks a stranger 80% of the time.

[Mehow]: And I'll give you an example. We had a guy who was fifty-five just last week -- and I've done thousands of these live coaching things but this just keep happening, but this is a recent story because I was just there! And the last two nights I was coaching him and he ran only seven sets in eight hours of sarging because he was in a set for an hour each time and out of those seven sets, he had one blow off. And before that, he couldn't talk to strangers. So, I love what I do. And what's really awesome is now we're going to do it for women, too. Well, we did it on the Yahoo! web show for women.

[Angel Donovan]: Right.

[Mehow]: So, that's been just an epic journey for me, basically, discovering all of this stuff.

[Angel Donovan]: It must be interesting doing it from the other side, the women's side. So, are you going to do any coaching for women or is it just the Yahoo! show. I know you were coaching women, but was it within a set boundaries thing? Or you going to be doing any coaching of women afterwards?

[Mehow]: Yeah, absolutely. In fact, that's launching in about a month.

[Angel Donovan]: Okay, cool. Did you find you learned from that process? Was it kind of an interesting --

[Mehow]: I learned so much. So far everything I suspected is true, is true. I learned that women are very much more into polyamory and dating multiple guys than they say they are. I also learned that women can be fiercely tactical and very cool if they want.

[Angel Donovan]: I think more and more so. There seems to be a trend. I think you even see this in magazines now. There's more advice for women -- obviously, there's been some books like "How to Be a Bitch and Get Guys" or something. There's been those sorts of books out for a while, but it seems like that's growing in the media and you see more of it in the girls' magazines.

[Mehow]: Well, on Yahoo!, we got five million viewers and that was the first offiical pick-up show for women. There's been advice shows for women but they're like, "Ah, you shouldn't be such a bitch!" We're like, "Say this. This is why you're saying this. You're value velocity is dropping off here. Here the guy isn't being ghost-led correctly. You need to do this and we'll see if he passes this screening test. If he does, then he might be a keeper." And I found that, not insulting women's intelligence and going with the pedestrian advice is superlatively unhelpful and when you give them the real shit, half of them just tune out because they're like, "Okay, this isn't the fantasy I had in my head, which is basically how I would do just a few things and all of a sudden, the world starts knocking on my door." The other half of the women we've coached are like, "Oh, wow, this is the reality. I really like having access to reality. I really like the fact that somebody can explain to me how shit really works in the space of a weekend, basically." So, women -- it takes way less time to coach them with this stuff -- typically, two days. When we were on the show, we would coach the women for two days to get a complete A-to-Z transformation, but the transformation for about half those women was astounding and the other half just didn't quite do it right. But the ones who were astounding were like -- here I'll tell you a really amazing thing about women, which I always suspected to be true but I found that it was true. When we cast the show, we interviewed like fifty girls and we videotaped a lot of these interviews for casting purposes and we're always asking the same question: "How many guys that you really like have you met in the last six months?" And this was even stunner tense because we had some girls who were models on the show would say, "I met one guy."

[Angel Donovan]: Just one?

[Mehow]: Just one guy. Or two guys. I'm like, "Wow, that's dismal because --"

[Angel Donovan]: Right, but did you find out why that was?

[Mehow]: Yeah, of course, I know why it was. In fact, I'll tell you, why it's so scarce and this stuff --

[Angel Donovan]: I mean, that's terrible.

[Mehow]: I know it's terrible! And you're like, "What?!" Because for us men, it's like once you get pick-up, every weekend I can go out and meet women I like. Because for a man, you don't need a ten. I like eights are better with personality because a lot of tens just don't even have that great personality. They're pains in the ass. Within the reality of that eight-to-ten physical beauty range, as long as they're above that certain threshold, I'm fascinated. To me -- and then I can meet like -- God, just this past weekend, we had two-to-four different girls here from Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. So, I met sixteen girls this weekend and they're meeting like two guys every six months. So, what the hell, right? Why is that?

[Angel Donovan]: Is it because they're looking for personality? What are they looking they're not getting or guys just aren't approaching? What's going on?

[Mehow]: What happens is dudes are just flat. They'll often see a guy that's interesting but the guy will screw up the pick up. And the other thing is they're not meeting guys. These are the two things. They're not meeting guys because you would be shocked how few dudes actually approach a really hot chick. Because when we're in venues and you'll see guys chatting up girls all the time but half the time, those guys are friends of theirs. Like an actual stranger approaching a hot chick, she's got to sit around for half an hour. In fact, one time we had one episode where we took this stunner dancer girl -- she's a professional hip-hop dancer, she's in rap videos, she's got the 36-24-36 figure on her, might be even more ridiculous, I mean, I didn't measure her, I'm just her coach -- but the point was is that she's super hot and we put her in a coffee shop for two hours and it, literally, two guys approached her. When we take girls who are super beautiful into a club, a lot of times dudes are freakin' afraid. It's so bad taht even a stunner dude will be just staring at her.

[Angel Donovan]: It's funny to hear this after, basically, it's been fifteen years now since the pick-up artist movement started where that's teaching a lot of cold approach stuff. So, you'd think there'd be enough guys out there -- I know there's probably hundreds of thousands who have studied this stuff, right?

[Mehow]: But, no one friggin' approaches! Except the dudes from RSD, as a population. And the problem with the dudes from RSD -- no offense, I love Owen, those guys are great, it's good that they're getting guys to approach -- but the problem with the mass-approach approach is that they get blown out all the time so they'll destroy venues in a matter of seconds.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah, well, I've seen that happen back in the day even in 2002-2003, the venue was getting messed up by too much --

[Mehow]: Too much lame -- the thing that messes it up isn't approaching, it's lame approaching! Or it's highly screened approaching where you're basically just doing -- just doing something super aggressive to basically to see if she'll blow you or blow you out and guess what? She usually blows you out. It's like one-in-forty does she blow you. So, I'm not a fan of it because the aggressive stuff is great if you're advanced. Because if you're advanced, if you're Owen, I've gone out on the field with Owen and we've both done it, side-by-side, we both just get super aggressive, but the thing is we'll sink half our sets. We'll stick half the sets. Half the sets will stick and then girls see us talking in the corner for half-an-hour with some girl and then we'll go grab another girl. And, then because of the social proof, it works. When you're a newbie and you go out and just start to troll an entire venue and there's fifteen of you, dear God, bad things happen. In fact, I nearly got in a fight this weekend because of that and that's never happened to me before. It wasn't the set I was in -- it was actually going really, really well and the girls were down and everything was cool -- it's the dudes that they came with that probably saw yet-another guy approach them and they literally just bum rushed me. They ran at me, picked me up, and carried me out of the set.

[Angel Donovan]: Wow.

[Mehow]: And the last time that happened was in Miami in 2006 when I sarged some celebrity chick and she had a bodyguard with her and it was funny because she instructed the bodyguard not to touch me; she was having this conversation with me, but I guess he was trying to do his job. So, he picks me up and I'm still talking to her and he's carrying me away. But that was actually way less violent and more professional -- what happened this weekend was not cool at all. I knew that the pick-up guys in that venue created that fight, because they created this extremely hostile vibe where, basically, unless you absolutely nail an opener and the girl is really into you, you get massive bitch shield. I've seen reports of this crop up all over the world, I'll be honest: I think people need to tone that shit down and get better at their approaches and more consistent with their approaches. If you can't hook a girl with verbals consistently without touching her, you've got no business touching her. And that's my rant from the weekend. Fortunately a student I was with -- we have a student who was 6'4" 245 and he was an ex-professional athlete -- and he regulated that situation. And then the girls were like, "Please! Don't hurt my piece-of-shit boyfriend! He didn't mean anything!"

[Angel Donovan]: Well, it sounds like you had a bit of fun there. I'm glad your student was there to help out.

[Mehow]: Infield is fun, man. I fucking love it. I absolutely love it.

[Angel Donovan]: Well, there's always a story to tell, right?

[Mehow]: I absolutely love it and I want everybody to go out and be successful, but I'm seeing guys basically screw up a lot of approaches because of their lack of outer game and just this sort of belief that if their internal state is awesome, then they're going to do awesome. So, here's my advice to all women when you get approached by a guy, this is a perfect question, just say, "Are you in state yet?"

[Angel Donovan]: You say that to a guy?

[Mehow]: Yeah.

[Angel Donovan]: And he'll be like, "How do you know about RSD?" Is that your plan? That would probably get a few guys upset there. Well, it depends where you are in the world. If you're in LA, there's going to be few more than elsewhere.

[Mehow]: Yeah. Most of the world doesn't matter. This is just a place where we have too many pick-up guys!

[Angel Donovan]: Right, it must be crazy in LA. I haven't been there for a while, so I don't know what it's like.

[Mehow]: This summer it's been the worse it was since Mystery was on TV. When Mystery was on TV and all sarging, you get a lot of "Are you like that guy Mystery?"

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah.

[Mehow]: The thing was that wasn't as bad as girls getting all pissed off and hostile, because the Mystery approaches we did back then, there wasn't -- when I'm doing pure kino, I'm touching the girl but that's a minute in. Or, if I'm touching her right away, it's extremely calibrated. I don't do stuff that's like 90-10 success rate. If I go for something aggressive, it's like 50-50 success rate. And that makes a world of difference when you do it twenty times in a row.

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah, so I've seen that bad vibe you're talking about in a club before but, for me, it was 2002-2003, when there was a lot guys just learning kind of random stuff and trying it. Obviously, an hour into the night, the girls were like kind of semi-freaked out, really pissed off, and the whole club had kind of gone down hill.

[Mehow]: Exactly! It actually ruins businesses if it keeps happening. It's because then the women don't want to show up.

[Angel Donovan]: Right, it's just no good for anyone. It's not.

[Mehow]: And it's not like businesses or anyone important is listening to this interview so they don't even know that this shit's happening!

[Angel Donovan]: Imagine if they did! I don't know. There might be a few of them that know. There are some clubs in San Fransisco, I heard, back in the day got really, really out of hand.

[Mehow]: It's possible. I haven't see a "No PUA Sign" at the door yet.

[Angel Donovan]: No, no, no. They did do that in San Francisco.

[Mehow]: Oh, they did do that!

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah, they did that there and back in those days, there was a lot of Mystery peacocking and anyone peacocking wouldn't get in and so on like that. It did happen. Hopefully, I thought that was something in the past. Anyway, man, let's make sure that the guys get a bit of an idea of what a conversation element is here. So, what is -- I know you talk a lot about edge -- is that your favorite one? Is that one you feel is the most important?

[Mehow]: Well, there isn't a single most important one. Everybody is always trying to tell me, "What the one thing? How do I get girls in three seconds?" There's no one thing, man! It doesn't exist. Let it go! I can't teach you how to pick up chicks on one little interview.

[Angel Donovan]: Do you have a favorite conversational element that you use a bit more than others?

[Mehow]: I love having super playful attraction. I basically always improvise that off what the girl just said. So, this girl from Saturday night, she had this very princess vibe, her parents were very wealthy, so I did a lot of sub-princess humor, like princess and king and set the frame, like we were royalty just going through the world together. In romantic humor, you make a lot of jokes at everybody's expense that no one else can hear because it creates sort of a conspiracy. It's like, "Oh, that's a plebian thing to do!" And with me and her, that was super hilarious. I was just dialed in to where she was at. I could tell she was basically an only child and the belief that she held in her head was that she was slightly superior to everybody else. So, I just played on that by assuming all these ridiculous, not-real frames, like we're a king and queen walking through Santa Monica together. We get first in line at the Subway and stuff like that.

[Angel Donovan]: That sounds like a lot of fun.

[Mehow]: Yeah and so that's sort of my little area of expertise, which is the improv side of it.

[Angel Donovan]: Are you often able to figure out where the girl is coming from like that, in that kind of example you just gave?

[Mehow]: Yeah, because as you're going through, you're giving these soundbites -- my personality is in my soundbites and her personality is in her soundbites. So, the whole time she's giving me soundbites you figure out what she's like, because what's coming out of her is really what is her. She's not using any canned stuff. All her stuff is 100% improvised. You're just getting genuine information about her the entire time.

[Angel Donovan]: So, it's all by observation then. You just --

[Mehow]: Yeah, I'm just present and I'm like, "Okay, she said this. This indicates that maybe she's freedom-loving." And then we talk about how it's awesome to basically do what you want or hang out with people who are freedom-oriented who don't have a lot of things tying them down in reality. So, then I'll take my comfort elements, my comfort soundbites, in that direction. If I can tell that -- every girl is fun, every girl has some sort of thing about her, a set of attraction elements, that will get a big response out of her, and if you listen, you can hear what those are. They're really obvious, actually; you just have to be listening. A lot of guys just aren'y present; they aren't listening. You just have to freakin' listen. If you listen, you're going to hear what it is that she's saying to you that's important to her or that's stimulating to her. Because people don't say stuff to themselves that's boring to them and if they do, you'll see them get bored.

[Angel Donovan]: That's a very good point. I haven't heard that distinction before. If she's saying it, it's obviously important to her and --

[Mehow]: Sometimes you force her into a question, because you've have sets where you're like, "What's your special secret super power?" And she's like, "I don't know!" But then, if she's like, "I can fly!" or "I turn invisible!" Now, you know you've hit on some other perfect fantasy side of her brain because every woman has fantasies, and a lot of them are also pretty dirty, which is why some of the sexual side of it works, why the sexual elements work, too. You've just got to be dialed in to where she's at and if you really pay attention to what she's saying, you can just knock it out of the park for just two-three hours at a time. I've had girls just choke on their food when they got taken out to food twice this weekend just because they were laughing so hard, because I'm just dialed in. I'll say one little thing and she'll just start to fall over, basically, and she'll say, "Oh my god, you're like --" I had one woman tell me, "I really love guys who make me laugh." And if there's one single thing that I had to say it's the net effect of our system is that you're just super charming and you make people laugh all the time, while you're doing all this other ninja stuff at the same time. But, then again, I'll have people ask me, "How do I be funny?" And I'm like, "Dude, you've got to read the book. You've got to practice." There's just no one thing. There is a one thing at a high level but I can't teach you that. I can't say, "Be funny." I can't say, "Do this inner game exercise and you'll do awesome." I can't say, "Do this one hour inner game and you'll be awesome."

[Mehow]: It's a performance. That's where I always end up in: it's a performance. The reason you're good with women is you're overall performance is spot on and your inner game actually does not matter. You can have the shittiest day that you've ever had and you can still perform. And think about that! If you're a professional circus performer or you're a professional guitarist or a professional performer in anything, those people have shitty days all the time. Yet they go out on stage and they crush it. So, does state really matter? The answer is no, it doesn't, because she can't fucking see your state. I can't see the state of the performer! The performer's mom could have died yesterday but if he's playing well, he's playing well. The point is that the thing we really focus and people got to get through their heads is it's not aggression of the opener, it's not your inner state. The stuff that matters is the stuff that obviously matters. It's the stuff she can see. So, the only thing you need to worry about is your performance! That's it. Now, that's easier said than done but that's the core principle of how we teach. Everything is about how you come off.

[Angel Donovan]: Right, it's the impression that those soundbites make.

[Mehow]: Your body language, your eye contact, how you're touching her, and the verbals. And people say, "Okay, well, 90% of it is non-verbal!" That's true, if you have interesting shit to say.

[Angel Donovan]: I actually don't believe that. Everyone quotes that study but it's a very old study and it's not a very good study.

[Mehow]: Well, the thing that's true about that is: if your body language is off, it really doesn't matter what you say, it will still be creepy. That's where they're getting that conclusion, but the point is that if your body language is perfect and you have nothing to say, then you're just boring, and the set ends just as quickly. Is the body language more important than verbals? Not really. It depends on your interpretation. Body language will kill good verbals but non-verbals or lame verbals will basically made her bored and walk away and kill your great body language. But the one thing we do take away from all this is state doesn't matter. So, if you're a chick and you're listening to this interview, the next time somebody walks up to you, ask him if he's hit state!

[Angel Donovan]: And Mehow will get a kick out of that.

[Mehow]: Alright!

[Angel Donovan]: So, man, one final question for you here. What are your top three recommendations to men wanting to have a better lifestyle from dating, sex, and relationships, as fast as possible, if they wanted to get good with this? So, you're talking about some guys who have gotten results pretty quickly. What would be your top three recommendations to get that kind of result?

[Mehow]: My only recommendation is get live training. It's still the fastest way. Because I see -- there's guys who will read out stuff and they'll get good if they're not disqualified and they have good body language. If you're disqualified or you have slightly crappy body language, then somebody needs to fix that and there's very few professionals left in this business. There's maybe a hundred worldwide. There's a lot of people trying to sling a $100 bootcamp or whatever but it's not what it was in 2008 where the financial resources coming into the industry allowed for a lot of quality to exist. Get live training. I'll tell who I think the good live trainers are. RSD is great if you know how to talk before you go to their thing. If you've got good verbals, then RSD will put you in a million sets and you'll run circles around every other student in that bootcamp. Sinn is awesome. Brad P. is awesome. We're awesome. Mystery and Matador are still really good in field -- debatable on the mid-game.

[Angel Donovan]: So, you're talking about the actual people or the companies?

[Mehow]: The live, actual people. People that I've actually seen who are doing it. The guys in Vegas, Mike Sartaine -- excellent -- and his boy, Sanchez. They have probably the best social circle game I've ever seen. It's positively insane. Who else off the top of my head has got amazing live game? I think that's it. That's my problem with the world right now. That I can list off the guys that are really great live coaches on one hand and there used to be hundreds of us, back in the day. When we were doing a bunch of Mystery Method Bootcamps, we had about twenty coaches and everybody was decent. Doesn't exist anymore.

[Angel Donovan]: What other recommendations? Is that the only one you want to give or is there a top three? Would there be anything else they should do?

[Mehow]: Besides live coaching, get 3-Second Attraction. That's going to be the next best thing. Get my system. I'm just going to self-plug right here, because --

[Angel Donovan]: Explain that a bit. Why get 3-Second Attraction?

[Mehow]: You want to get it because then at least your verbals will be awesome and we'll teach you some stuff about body language and now you'll have a prayer. And if you hook with that, you'll be doing really good, because once a set's hook, even if your body language is sloppy, but she somehow likes you in the first three minutes and your body language stays kind of crappy or just okay or just marginal but she's interested enough that she stays talking with you in the first three minutes, if you can just talk for a few more hours, you'll probably get laid.

[Angel Donovan]: So, the work you put in your course you basically stay interesting for a few hours, then --

[Mehow]: If you can just talk, even if the other parts of your game are off, if -- if I can't see you, I can't fix your body language. I can't fix how you're dressed. I can't fix where you're going. I can't fix who you're talking to. There's all these things I can't fix. You're making all those decisions and you're probably making mistakes like I did when I started off, like everybody does. And the problem is people just can't see the mistakes which is why I recommend live coaching. The deal is that if, say, you manage to hook one-in-five girls despite all that stuff that I can't help you with because I'm not there and you can talk, then you're going to get way better results. That's why you buy 3-Second Attraction. This is literally the system that politicians, talk show hosts, Chelsea Handler -- Chelsea Handler is actually a giant three second attraction user. She's just all edge all the time. I would calibrate that girl. I would be like, "Yo, you just need to throw in a little bit of element nine and be nice and you'll do way better." But she's friggin' hilarious because she uses assumptive framing 24-7, like every other thing that she says is an assumptive frame straight from my book. And she's unconscious of it. I know Chelsea Handler didn't fucking read my shit! I know Jimmy Fallon didn't read my shit! But the thing that all these celebrities, and a lot of these celebrities get famous for no reason, have in common is that they can talk like this naturally and they just weren't conscious of it. So, you really got to have that in your corner. If you can't talk, you are screwed. You've got no prayer at all. If everything else is a little off, then there'll be some girl that likes you anyway. But, if you can't talk, it's over.

[Mehow]: The other major advantage of 3-Second Attraction is if you line online game, until you meet up with her on the date, your body language doesn't freaking matter because you're just chatting with her. So, 3-Second Attraction will get you mad online results. It's literally retardedly easy. I got online and I was using my system online and I wasn't even trying, I had two girls a week. The easiest way to get laid to day is by practicing attraction, get an online site, and pick a girl that's sort of in your looks range, and you will have sex this week. I guarantee it.

[Angel Donovan]: That's a pretty big guarantee there.

[Mehow]: That was my sales side but, anyway --

[Angel Donovan]: I can see you really believe in this stuff, which is good to see. And the third one?

[Mehow]: The third one! I'll give you all night on the third one. So, we talked about 3-Second Attraction, what's the third one? Okay, the third one I would say is get good fashion, because that's an instant transformation. Now, here's the problem. Here's how I recommend you do it if you don't have a live coach who knows what they're doing: you need to go and find somebody who looks really good, that's got excellent fashion sense -- and not like a stores salesgirl becase they'll really sell you whatever -- "It looks great!" just because you're about to buy from them. I never, ever, unless something looks awful, really, reall bad, I've never heard one of those store sales ladies say anything -- when I'm out shopping with guys, they're like, "Oh, that looks awesome!" And I'm like, "No, it doesn't." And they're like, "Okay. Let me go grab something else." And they're like, "That looks awesome!" And I'm like, "No! It still doesn't. Shush. Just get me more clothes!" So, get a guy that's not inerested who you think looks good and see if he'll help you for a day. And I'll give you some tips, okay? So, if you're older -- we've been doing a lot of older guys lately -- and you're in decent shape, then what really looks good on older guys in sort of a mix of youthful and older. So, we do really nice jeans that are bootcut because you don't want that shrunk look where the bottom of the jeans are attached to your legs and you look like an 80's rock star, bootcut, that flare at the bottom -- bootcut, by the way, just means there is a flare at the bottom of the jeans -- so it can accomodate a boot, even if you're not wearing a boot, it will still sort of flare out and just looks way cooler. So, all my jeans are bootcut. I put all the students in bootcut jeans.

[Angel Donovan]: All mine are bootcut, too. Totally agree. Yeah.

[Mehow]: So, do bootcut jeans and then what we do is we get a really nice tailored jacket; I'll have students get one or two Hugo Boss jackets. They're not $2,000 jackets, they're usually three, four hundred bucks and then I get them tailored. I make sure everything is tailored so that it fits perfectly. Your clothes have to fit you perfectly. They don't have to be zillion dollar clothes. They just have to fit you perfectly. You go to the Hugo Boss Store, even in LA, it's not ridiculous, and they'll tailor it for you and then two days later, you've got these perfectly fitted jackets and then over top of that I just have them wear a t-shirt. As long as they're not fat. If they're fat, then I go with a dress shirt. But if they're not fat, then I just go with a t-shirt and that has this look of you're a well put-together dude that is also wearing this really nice jacket and women pick out the nice jacket from a hundred feet away. If you're the one guy in the club with a tailored jacket that actually fits you really well, they know and they will compliment you on it and the way you know you're wearing the right clothes is that every woman says, "I love what you're wearing."

[Angel Donovan]: Right, and that does happen.

[Mehow]: If you're not seeing that, that means you just dress down, which is okay. When I'm coaching, I dress down a lot because I don't want to distract the girls from the students with me. I'll just look like I fit right in; I'm wearing a hoodie and shit. In LA, you can get into clubs with hoodies. So, when I'm coaching, I'm hoodie man or leather jacket man, but when I'm really sarging I'll put on a tailored jacket and have a t-shirt or a nice shirt underneath and you want to have -- all in all these things, you want to have little things that stand out. You don't want to peacock. That doesn't work. Forget about it. What does work is being dressed in the social context but having a little bit of an edge to yourself. So, for example, on the jackets we always get it's not just a black, tailored jacket. It's always got a weird little pattern on it or there's some zippers on it or something unsual. It's in the sense of its design and overall shape, it looks very designer and fitted as if it was just a really nice wedding jacket -- or not a wedding jacket, but like a really nice designer suit -- but it's got these little things on it. And Hugo Boss actually does that -- they'll have jackets that have zippers on the sleeves and the rest of it is just this perfectly done up jacket. If the zippers weren't there, people would be like, "That's a really cool jacket but there's nothing interesting about it." You always want to make sure you've got one interesting thing about it that doesn't scream, "I'm a clown" or "I'm a peacock" but it says, "I'm a little different." I've field tested that literally hundreds of times. I'll just do A-B like, "Okay, guys have got the same verbal game. I get them dressed up. The next guy has got the same exact verbal game, maybe he's got a little better, but now half the sets hook, where before it was 20%." Or even more.

[Mehow]: Once their game is dialed in and everything, we see hook rates of sixty, seventy, eighty percent, depending on the dude. If you're like my 6'4" guy, he literally got blown out once. After he got verbals down, last four days of his training, he got blown out once out of thirty sets. That's when your coaching in field all the time, that's when all this shit's in your head because you see it on a weekly basis and when you've been doing it for years like the coaches here, we see the same patterns over and over again. So, what's most important is being dialed in with the truth and the truth is a good performance and how you come off is what matters and that's what you need to focus on and that's really everything. I went long, man. Enjoy!

[Angel Donovan]: Yeah, that was a great way to finish off there, too. Mehow, thanks for being on the show. Man, it's been great to have you back again. Really enjoyed it and hope to catch you up some other time. Maybe in another fifty shows.

[Mehow]: Sounds awesome, man, you guys are cool and I'm glad I was able to help out and talk soon.