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Personally, I thought SS was great and the results are outstanding! The thing is that it really does require a full understanding of the materials in order to get good results. And this can take a lot of work reading and out in the field. For me, it's even taken a lot of reading and studying of nlp from other folks in order to get the best understanding of it. And that is what has helped me the most. If you think you are going to just go and memorize all of RJ's example patterns, recite them, and have it work like magic where the woman immediately rips off all her clothes then sure, it might come off as creepy and it might not work. Now if you can learn good rapport skills, body language, and tonality, get a good understanding of the overall picture, make the beliefs and general language a part of who you are so you can make up your own patterns for each and every individual situation, then you are on your way to success. So I think that SS and NLP really help a lot mainly as the foundation of how you talk, meaning the kind of things you talk about and how you structure your sentences. Given one singular idea, changing the way it is spoken can make a big difference.
Now I am not as familiar with MM yet so I don't really have that to compare it with. Just wanted to say, SS will surely take part of the language part if and only if you put some serious effort into the literature and practice out in the field.
I would also like to add that the important thing is to make the materials fit you as an individual. That's why I never liked or believed in memorizing RJ's patterns. If I were to just copy exactly what he says then it would not sound like me and it probably would sound creepy, and I would probably be nervous as well. This is why I found it so helpful for him to have some products made by his students and for his best students to teach in some of his seminars. It gives you more ideas to look at.

It's interesting to read all of the various comments about Ross jeffries and speed seduction. While I truly believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I must say that some of the comments were made by people who clearly don't understand speed seduction let alone conversational hypnosis or NLP.

When I was originally exposed to speed seduction in spring of 98', the material was expensive and quality. No it isn't laid out in a linear fashion but after studing NLP extensively I have found that the mind doesn't learn in a linear fashion anyway. Attempts by the concious mind to fit everything into a linear, step by step process are futile at best. Real learning happens at the unconcious level regardless of how you "think" you learn best. I am responding mainly to "play2win"'s comments here.

As far as speed seduction is concerned, my advice would be to buy it and use it for what it is worth or buy books on NLP, conversational hypnosis and learn about Milton Erickson's patterns of indirect hypnosis. I agree with the statement that S.S. is a small part of the overall game, but, I disagree with the people who say that S.S. material is crap. There is some very good material sold by RJ. The reality is: you can get the same material for cheaper by buying books on NLP and conversational hypnosis and learning it yourself. Speed seduction does a good job (for those of you who don't want to make as big of a time investment) of cutting right through to the essential elements as it relates to picking up woman. I don't recommend S.S. for the beginner and I also don't recommend S.S. as your only source of pick-related material. I do suggest that at some point you become familar with basic-intermediate level NLP & hypnosis material. It will enhance the rest of your "game" 100-fold. Stop for a moment and imagine delivering the routines you've learned from the mystery method in a mildly hypnotic fashion...That's much more powerful than just saying the words, isn't it?

Be careful though, as Style mentions in "the game" about how you can either spend 30 minutes using speed seduction patterns on a girl to get her aroused or you can pull her hair at the right time and create the same effect. The point is you want to use the most efficient tools at the right time. A funny thing that RJ has said before that also summarizes my point well is: "If your going to have sex with a girl, what's easier-- just sticking it in or wrapping it around your leg a few times first..."

I also suggest that newbies to seduction should take a part or full-time job in sales. Some of the best seduction skills and life skills can be learned by working in a sales job. The great part is that you get paid to learn & practice becoming a better communicator and to become more persuasive. Also, you will make good money when you become good at sales and your measured by results which is similar to the world of seduction. There is no "almost" in sales just as "almost" doesn't mean much in the world of seduction

I hope this helps. I wasn't looking to bash what anyone else said, only offer my 2 cents....

RJ knows his stuff, but other than watch videos on youtube and straight reading speed seduction patterns on the net. I have learned nothing from this product. Maybe a, speed seduction for dummies, would help. Vince Kelvin has some great free stuff on this, but his accent means it's difficult me, but it's still better than RJ. He so smart, his stuff gods over my head. Sorry. I would like to say something more positive. Even RJ's free newsletter and multiple websites work against him. They are super buggy/ dead links / etc. I hope he finds a way for me to learn his genius - i'm sure he would become the Green Latern he loves so much. I have not used SS version 2.0 or 3.0. Hopefully, he got better by working with someone more, less intelligent than me to spoon feed in clearer, smaller bites. All other reviewers on here like his stuff and i would like to as well.

Almost 100% of my game is SS and it works really well for me.

In version 3.0, he uses a lot of games/quizzes just like other popular PUAs use now. In fact, he recommended Style's "5 Questions Game" in the video. I've ran Snack Quiz in a grocery store then went straight to a portion of the BlowJob Pattern since we were already on the topic of food, then, I asked some boring AFC question (to fractionate) and then went to a seduction question after that, and got her to imagine me and her in her ideal fantasy vacation and we acted it out and everything, and then I asked if she was having a good time (ratify) and told her to say 'more please' if she wanted to have more fun. She said it, and then, I got a #close.

SS is lazy man's game...its easy as hell too! I mean, seriously, there isn't that much thinking involved...you get her to talk more and you just use what she gives you...

I had decent luck with it, but I think it's alot of effort just to meet a chick. It's like learning a whole new language when all you really had to do was say hi.

If there's one school of pickup I'm staying away from, it's speed seduction. The whole idea of SS seems very, very weird and narrow minded to me.

For one, it has virtually no application in social circle game. Other cold approach techniques like Love Systems and Magic Bullets have certain principles that work in social game as well as cold approach, but SS has none of that. Try running these "hypnosis" patterns in your social circle and you'll look like a complete tool.

As well, even when you're evaluating it as a strictly cold approach technique, SS is of limited value. Ross's patterns probably do get girls horny, but other methods acheive that same end and then some. For example, MM has attraction building routines that make the girl not only horny but EMOTIONALLY invested in you, plus a number of logistical techniques like kino escalation, compliance testing, and venue hopping. SS is nowhere near as comprehensive.

Oh, and beyond all that, 90% of the theory behind SS is complete BS. SS works because girls like it when you talk expressively about interesting things. The whole idea that these patterns work on a sophisticated subconcious level is pseudoscientific nonsense. Ross is like a stage hypnotist: he's going around telling you that his words have a subconcious effect on people, but in reality people just play along with it because the delivery is compelling. It's like Mystery says: "if you talk with enthusiasm, even if you're talking about absolutely nothing, people will feel enthusiasm too."

While there's no question NLP is fabulous for helping one to internal affirmations, and also very useful for triggering and evoking emotional responses in others, the Speed Seduction(tm) model is, to my mind anyway, overwhelmingly creepy...

If people want to use metaphor and poetic language to get girls into a more emotionally-accessible, carnally-open state, then by all means, they should!
...but reciting other people's poetry as your own, and presenting it to an audience who believes it has been generated explicitly for them, is bottom-feeding, in my view.

S.S. is fantastic, ppl who say its crap bcoz it aint nothing like that.
It will develop you as a sales man also. Its a life-time project to develop everytng. S.S. is best for advanced PUA's, they then can understand/process/ digest the information easier.

It fits my personality perfectly because thats who I am naturally, remember, you have to become part of it.

Ross has proven to be The most innovative and effective guys out there.
Known as the Father of the Modern Seduction, hes the only guy out there with the years under his belt as a teacher and a system that has stood the test of time.

Though there are newer products. You cant go wrong with this.

A perfect 10

IMO every PUA should study MM and SS (Speed Seduction). I can vouch that both of these methods are solid. IMO they are the two most powerful PU methods in existence. It is nice to know both because they approach the PU game from two very different directions. MM is based on a survival/replication model while SS is all NLP.